60 ND Photos/Range Report #16

[MrTrolleyguy]

I have never been stopped by the Highway Patrol before today.



My LGS has another 20% off sale on used gun. Ten % off on new guns.

I found a 60 ND snub nose in 38 special with the Philadelphia Highway Patrol logo on it; with the blue box, papers and what I think are the original wood finger grooved grips. On the right side is the logo. It has the .245 service hammer and the smooth rounded service trigger. No serial number on the yoke, only on the grip frame. There a number of markings on the grip frame. A letter S, a smaller letter B, IIRC a letter R, what looked like a zero or a letter O in a circle, a triangle. When I pick up the gun I'll post plenty of Photos.



The serial number is R2671XX. The SCSW says the R series began in 1969. I don't know if there is a premium on this storied group of officer's guns. They were tough police who mostly worked the roughest drug infested area during the Frank Rizzo years. They were right beside Mayor Rizzo when he marched into Holesburg prison during a riot with a long nightstick in the cummerbund of his tuxedo. The riot was quickly put down. I still remember that day hearing scores of police sirens screaming and wailing, all heading North.




He was hell on bad guys. I think even the crooks liked his style and respected him.

 

[gruntdeputy]

If a gun is good enough for "Two Gun" Frank Rizzo and his boys, it will give you many years of good service!

Post those photos!

Frank
(New Jersey transplant)

 

[coltle6920]

Good old Frank Rizzo....New Yorkers didn't want "stop and frisk".Maybe they would've liked to try Rizzo's "stop and get your teeth kicked in".

 

[loknload]

We need more Frank Rizzo's today!

 

[vipermd]

They don't have a second one do they???? Be Safe,

 

[XTrooper]

I was a cop across the river in Camden during this time period, knew a number of the HP guys, and used to go to their drill team show every year at The Vet.

Regarding the Model 60, it was almost without a doubt sold out of Colosimo's on Spring Garden Street where, at that time, darn near every cop I knew bought their guns.

Frank Rizzo was one of my heroes!

 

[MrTrolleyguy]

Good old Frank Rizzo....New Yorkers didn't want "stop and frisk".Maybe they would've liked to try Rizzo's "stop and get your teeth kicked in".

No no no, if you were an average citizen and not a wise guy he was okay. Weather you were black or white. His cops were pretty bigoted. That I'll admit. Now if you caused trouble of any kind that was different.

 

[MrTrolleyguy]

They don't have a second one do they???? Be Safe,

No, this came fro a retired policeman. I'll let them know to call me if another one comes in.

 

[coltle6920]

We need more Frank Rizzo's today!

Yeah,We need more heros like Rizzo whose gestapo "take no prisoners" tactics probably led to the decision to bomb the rowhome that the group Move lived in and ended up setting on fire two city blocks and killing five adults and six children.

Rizzo might not have in office when this went down but his influence remained.He was more controversial than Bloomberg.

 

[XTrooper]

Rizzo might not have in office when this went down...........

Yeah, let's not let any pesky facts get in the way of your baseless view of things.

 

[vipermd]

I was a cop across the river in Camden during this time period, knew a number of the HP guys, and used to go to their drill team show every year at The Vet.

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I never saw them at the Vet, but they did do other shows and they even used "revolvers" to shoot spinning balloons. This would have been in the 60's. Not sure if PASP had a motorcycle drill team, I know they had a horse drill team.

I could not imagine them "shooting" now, I am sure too many MORONS would be calling 911. Be Safe,

 

[coltle6920]

Yeah, let's not let any pesky facts get in the way of our baseless view of things.

And all you offer is an autographed photo for your hero worship.

You can paint the facts any way you want.He was still a controversial person.I wouldn't expect anyone in LE to say anything negative about the man.

For anyone that can remember back that far...I had autographed pictures from Sally Starr and Chief Halftown but they weren't my heros.

 

[XTrooper]

And all you offer is an autographed photo for your hero worship.

You can paint the facts any way you want.He was still a controversial person.I wouldn't expect anyone in LE to say anything negative about the man.

For anyone that can remember back that far...I had autographed pictures from Sally Starr and Chief Halftown but they weren't my heros.

I was going to spare you this, but since you insist........

Your attempt to somehow tie Frank Rizzo to the MOVE standoff and bombing is ludicrous and serves only to reveal your complete and utter ignorance of what actual happened there. Neither Frank Rizzo nor the concocted idea of his lingering influence had anything to do with the MOVE bombing. The fact is, the MOVE standoff was a joint operation consisting of three major players: the Philadelphia Police Department, the Pennsylvania State Police, and the FBI. Other agencies were involved, but they played minor roles.
The idea of bombing the homemade MOVE bunker members had built on the rooftop of their building didn't originate with the Philadelphia PD. The bombing decision was a joint one, originated with the FBI, and it was the FBI who supplied the bomb-making material. The bombs used were delivered on target by a PA State Police helicopter.
The Philadelphia Police Department did ok the plan and Mayor Goode did give his final approval for its execution, but the plan itself was a multi-agency one. They are the facts of the case.
Was Frank a controversial figure? Of course he was and I don't think anyone would argue that point, but he in no way, directly or indirectly, had anything to do with the MOVE incident as you claim and THAT is what I take exception to.
Finally, the loss of the children due to the ill-conceived bombing was tragic, but their loss falls squarely on the MOVE members themselves who repeatedly refused to let them leave the compound after being offered safe conduct to do so. They chose rather to keep their children with them to serve as pawns in their fight with the police. The truth is that their presence limited police options and partially influenced the tragic decisions that were made that day.

 

[old bear]

Did Chief Rizzo run a heavy handed take no garbage from anyone department, you bet he did. And it was necessary at the time.

Did Chief Rizzo have anything to do with the death of the Move members, not on your life. The Move members were given every chance to surrender and they chose not to. The Move members also chose to use the minors in the building as human shields. So if anyone wants to point fingers, please point them in the right direction.

 

[KLYDE]

Did Chief Rizzo run a heavy handed take no garbage from anyone department, you bet he did. And it was necessary at the time.

Did Chief Rizzo have anything to do with the death of the Move members, not on your life. The Move members were given every chance to surrender and they chose not to. The Move members also chose to use the minors in the building as human shields. So if anyone wants to point fingers, please point them in the right direction.

Absolutely correct. Which makes it more mind boggling that they were awarded a multi million dollar award.

 

[MrTrolleyguy]

Photos Range Report

After shooting 75 rounds thru 4" M686 the M60 1 7/8 seemed a little snappy. After I gave it a firmer grip it was much better. I knew right away that this belly gun is going to take a lot of practice to get good with it. The target doesn't show the rounds that missed the paper altogether. I like the gun.

After the target I'll post shots of the grip frame with it's odd markings, one of the original grips and then logo. Enjoy.








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You can barely see an upside down letter B at the bottom fo the grips.




What are these stocks? Would they be considered combat grips? And what might be their value? I'am thinking it might be half as much as the entire gun. Huuum? It would be a sin to seperate them. I think these grip will go into the safe and I'll get some Good Years for shooting. Knock down a bit of the snap, eh!






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[XTrooper]

That is REALLY nice, MrTrolleyguy!

 

[Lobster Picnic]

If you don't intent to carry it, I would get recoil reducing grips of some kind. The current S&W rubber combats are pretty good, and there are inexpensive Hogues that work well, along with the various Pachmayrs.