Charles Askins, Jr,

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Charles Askins, Jr. was mentioned in the military handgun thread.
Over the years I have read quite a bit a written by him.
The first time that I've heard of Chama, New Mexico it was in an article about him. Do you guys know about the Velco dog incident?
That was when Charles Askins Jr. and a good gunsmith modified a Colt woodsman to use it centerfire 22 cartridge called the Velco Dog.
The border patrol pistol team used it in national championship matches.
Charles was forced to resign from the border patrol in disgrace and needed a hole to hide in. He became a forest ranger in Chama.
Later on I was stationed in San Antonio when he supposedly lived there. I asked everybody I could find around town about him and nobody I could find had ever seen him.
So I don't really know if he was in San Antonio or was in bad health or just didn't want anybody to bother him.
Did any of you guys ever meet him or see him anywhere?
 
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That's Velo, actually, not Veclo. Velo, short for "Velocipede", an old name for bicycle. The velo dog was chambered in a small pistol designed for cyclists to carry, so they could shoot dogs that ran out to snap at 'em.

In the days BEFORE paved roads, it was hard to ride faster than the dog, and in the days BEFORE Pasture's rabies vaccine, getting dog-bit was NOT a good idea.

Skeeter mentions it here, The Legend Of Charley Askins

This is Askins' version.
[FONT=&quot]December 1955 Guns Magazine, page 29. A Shooting Iron Too Hot to Handle.
http://www.gunsmagazine.com/1955issues/G1255.pdf

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I don't get it. I tried to post a link. I don't know WHY the entire 76-page PDF showed up.
 
There was a magazine writer back in the '70s who used a tag line that said "Only accurate rifles are interesting". Was that Col. Askins?
 
I wasn't there but I have read very much about him that was very bad in real life. Normally I would keep my mouth shut on people I never personally met. I did have a friend that claimed he had met him and his opinion was the same too. It` been said the man went a long ways out of his way to kill people he didn't have to. Here is a old link of people that claimed to know him. Judge for yourself. I didnt know them either. I bet there are many even here who idolized him yet will condemn that guy Byron Smith on the thread a few days ago. I guarantee you Askins would have done the same as smith placed in that situation.
So...how bout Charles Askins, Jr.? - 24hourcampfire
 
I wasn't there but I have read very much about him that was very bad in real life. Normally I would keep my mouth shut on people I never personally met. I did have a friend that claimed he had met him and his opinion was the same too. It` been said the man went a long ways out of his way to kill people he didn't have to. Here is a old link of people that claimed to know him. Judge for yourself. I didnt know them either. I bet there are many even here who idolized him yet will condemn that guy Byron Smith on the thread a few days ago. I guarantee you Askins would have done the same as smith placed in that situation.
So...how bout Charles Askins, Jr.? - 24hourcampfire
I hear thee, Feral One. That's why I wanted to meet him, did not.
Am hoping somebody on the forum did meet him.
 
Charles Askins was a junior. I am fairly sure he also had a son who probley was III. Many years ago I read a article by III. I recall it was about the then brand new S&W model 39. I think I read several articles by #III and then he soon dropped off the writing job. So I guess that was three generations that wrote. Of course most of us only read Jr.
Again, I never met him but as they say, eat more chicken. A million coyotes cant be wrong!
 
He was arrogant and opinionated. Also very racist. A product of his time and then some. I don't know if he enjoyed killing or if he did it without any emotion at all. Either way he killed everything that walked on four legs or two without hesitation or remorse. Reading his tales I feel he often killed men and animals without good cause.

The one incident that sticks in my mind was when he saw a German POW (this was shortly after hostilities had ended IIRC) disabling surrendered vehicles and rather than simply telling the soldier to stop he shot him in the back.
 
I met him once at the NRA Convention in Philadelphia. I happened to sit right behind him as we waited for the membership meeting to start. I said "Colonel Askins sir, I'd like to introduce myself and my wife". He turned around, said "Hello" to my wife, and then spent the next several minutes patting her knee while trying to convince her to join him in Mexico for a quail hunt. I didn't care for him at all after that, and my wife didn't either.
 
Shooting the German POW (I don't recall that the war was over; I'd have to check his book) was sabotage by an enemy in time of war. If Germans had found a US POW doing that, he'd be in deep sauerkraut. He might have been shot more formally, but might very well have been shot.

I don't weep for the Arab thief in camp in N. Africa, either.

I met him twice. In San Antonio in 1979, we were both guests at a press lunch provided by Ruger. I didn't sit at his table (I DID sit with some other men you'd know, including Col. Rex Applegate) but did talk to Askins for awhile before lunch was served.

He was reasonably polite but seemed a little boastful and openly offered to smuggle arms into Rhodesia, which was being embargoed by the USA. I can't say more about that here, but it did strike me as not being terribly discreet.

I asked about Spanish guns, as he had been US military attaché in Spain and was very familiar with guns made there, especially around Eibar and Elgoibar. He said that they were really about as good as US brands, certainly in a practical sense. (I don't fully agree, but that's another story.)

On another occasion, we talked at the NRA convention. He seemed amused that my press badge read Dallas Morning News, for which I once wrote a gun column and also wrote freelance. I was also with a gun mag, but they only used one publication on the press badge. He was cordial.

A mutual acquaintance told me that Askins enjoyed shooting animals just to see them fall down, but I can't confirm that, and he may have been repeating something he had been told by a third party.

Personally, I found him personable and witty, although I can't repeat on this board some of what he said. Some of you have read his remarks about Hispanics, and I can confirm that he used ethnic terms. But so did most men I know, especially of his generation.

I enjoyed his colorful prose for several decades and miss it now, when it's fashionable to condemn him. PC people find a lot of fault with him, but most younger people today have been raised differently. I won't say more.

I didn't know until now that he may have murdered a witness , nor was I aware that he shot people just for fun. He seemed to kill fairly often, but he was in a dangerous business. A lot of lead got thrown along the Rio Grande in the years when he was on the USBP.

His son was named Bill, not Charles III. He worked for a time for the NRA, but I have not heard of him in years.

I asked Askins why he wrote those silly articles in which he declared the .45 ACP and the .30/06 obsolete or said that the Walther PP was a great military sidearm. He laughed and said that if readers were mad, they'd write to the editor. If they liked an article, they were far less likely to write. He wanted the editor to know that his material was being read. He was serious and I think he was right.

There's so much negative comment about him now that I believe some is probably true. But my own experience of him, if sparse, was okay.

Oh, wait: I saw him again whole covering the sale of the remaining Churchill, Atkin, Grant, and Lang guns at Abercrombie & Fitch. The firm was closing and their assets were being sold. Buyers came from various places, including a kilted Scot who offered stag hunts on his home turf. Some of you may have read my article about this event in, "Guns." We were busy, so didn't talk much then.

He supposedly said something about Jack O'Connor's grave, but I don't think I believe it. For one thing, I think Jack's remains were scattered from the air over mountains where he loved to hunt.
(Askins was unhappy that O'Connor had replaced his father as gun editor at, "Outdoor Life.")

One thing you could say for Askins: his prose had a lot of vitamins! It was generally interesting to read.
 
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I've read Askins' book and by his own words, I consider him a sociopath.

If he hadn't gone into law enforcement, I imagine he would have become a private sector criminal.

Sounds like a good diagnosis to me. Certainly a borderline personality at the very least.

All the warmth and compassion of a Komodo dragon.
 
He came down here at least once for one of the numerous SCOT pigeon shoots we used to have. I remember him being handled like a celeb, but I seem to recall there were a number of other gents, like Grant Illseng and Clay Cook who were shown more respect and cordiality. Not much to add from me, since I was just a humble bird boy and flagger.
 
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That line was originally attributed to Townsend Whelen.

Thank You! I've been trying to remember that for a long time.
As soon as I read the name it popped back into memory. :cool:
 
UNREPENTANT SINNER did it for me. By his own admission he was a sociopath who murdered at will. By the grace of God he choose the Law.
 
In an article for American Handgunner entitled "The Askins Gunfights Massad Ayoob "He was also a stone-cold killer." Ayoob said you'd want to have a drink with him, but not get drunk with him. And probably the type of guy you'd want with you in a dark alley, or a lonely outpost facing enemy hordes. I only knew him through his writings and what some of the gunwriters said.
 
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