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Calaveras Slim
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+1 with SMSgt. link and explain the laws.
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I agree. I don't live there, but I'd like to see what they want to do, and I'm too lazy to look myself. Plus, I don't know exactly which of the new laws you're unhappy with.
Jamesatrange
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Duly noted. I apologize for my attempt to contribute to the discussion.
Jamesatrange
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KLYDE as we know the law abiding gun owners should all be concerned. The snowball starts somewhere and it's been starting here in the northeast. There are many free states as we call them, our states were free once too and restrictions keep surfacing for the law abiding citizens. So really gents you should all be aware and concerned. Someday these types of bills may come to your states. Sad but true, we all need to be talking about it and prepared to react.
Calaveras Slim
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Well considering that I also have a residence in Fitchburg, and 2, considering that you have the attitude that I have come to expect from some folk up there, guess your response doesn't surprise. They say ignorance is bliss.
All we asked for is a explaination of the new laws not a duck and dodge from some one as impolite as you
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BrianE
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I think hes talking about, they want you to have to register all your firearms individually at your local PD.
The attitude was unnecessary and a better explanation was in order.
...and not all us MA guys have a bad attitude. [emoji12]
The attitude was unnecessary and a better explanation was in order.
...and not all us MA guys have a bad attitude. [emoji12]
bhayles
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No, but he certainly does.
BrianE
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...and if I'm correct about what he was trying to say... it was already posted the day prior.
Jamesatrange
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Yeah many of us are good guys. I'm a Mass guy too and posted all the info above as it's important to see the sad laws they are trying to push upon us. You brought up an excellent point about people who own residents in multiple states. They have multiple laws to contend with while enjoying their shooting sports.
Calaveras Slim
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That's true. I have made some great life long friends while I live up there. I bought the place when I was stationed at Ft. Devens in 1975. I was military and encountered some serious anti-military bias but after my neighbors got to know us and we them, we have had a good life. Moved home to TX. cuz of the weather.
By and large some great people up there. BUT, there are a few.
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Good luck to my former neighbors up in MA. (I grew up in Lawrence.)
I can understand the whole contact your legislators, etc., etc., but the pattern is clear: the antis do not care. This isn't about educating them. It's not about logic. They want gun elimination, period, and they will try every angle of attack until they find one that passes court scrutiny.
I read the new laws on the Mass. GOAL site. Doesn't look good. Not trying to be pessimistic, just realistic.
I can understand the whole contact your legislators, etc., etc., but the pattern is clear: the antis do not care. This isn't about educating them. It's not about logic. They want gun elimination, period, and they will try every angle of attack until they find one that passes court scrutiny.
I read the new laws on the Mass. GOAL site. Doesn't look good. Not trying to be pessimistic, just realistic.
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GOAL has scheduled a rally at the State House on Wednesday starting at 11am. I'd be curious to know how many MA gun owners show up. As concerned as the OP is surely Klyde will be there. Klyde, how about taking some pics and posting them here to get an idea of rally attendance.
GOAL Rally Against H.4121 June 18
GOAL Rally Against H.4121 June 18
Deuce Caboose
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For those of us familiar with Draconian gun laws here in the Commonwealth, these new proposed laws are mearly another installment. Death of our rights by 1000 cuts...
If you read through the proposed legislation, ask yourself if it could happen where you are. Think very carefully, and act accordingly. We in the pro 2A community are villified, our rights, trampled by hyper regulation, and both the US Constitution and the Massachusetts Constitution are all but worthless documents relative to RKBA. We are as passionate a group of responsible gun owners as any in the nation, small as we are. We try harder, because we have to. Still, to no avail, as the inexorable march to total ban/confiscation, is afoot, IMHO. I hope not to live long enough to see it, and will continue to do what I can, to represent Article 2 of the Bill of Rights in a positive, independent and patriotic way.
If you read through the proposed legislation, ask yourself if it could happen where you are. Think very carefully, and act accordingly. We in the pro 2A community are villified, our rights, trampled by hyper regulation, and both the US Constitution and the Massachusetts Constitution are all but worthless documents relative to RKBA. We are as passionate a group of responsible gun owners as any in the nation, small as we are. We try harder, because we have to. Still, to no avail, as the inexorable march to total ban/confiscation, is afoot, IMHO. I hope not to live long enough to see it, and will continue to do what I can, to represent Article 2 of the Bill of Rights in a positive, independent and patriotic way.
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Can't we all just get along?
cussedemgun
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Just testing, just testing.
The way I read it, I think you are seeing more 'frustration' than attitude.
OP is fighting a pre-planned attack on our country's constitutional rights with his reason. I said it before, I say it again, common sense has nothing to do with it, the goal is to make our country into a nation of gun hating dependent subjects. If that takes lies & propaganda, so be it.
The way our schools are teaching "evil of the gun" with fear even demonstrated by a child drawing a picture, the end of our gun ownership can't be too far away.
With each class that graduates, there are more & more people of voting age who literally cringe with fear if they see someone with a gun. 50 years ago, that number was 0% but today the gun haters are recruiting at an alarming rate & they are doing it under our very nose with our children in our schools.
How long will it take before the general populace will vote overwhelmingly to ban all private ownership of guns? IT'S COMMING, guys, in 10 or 20 years, the only guns you will see will be in the military.
One last parting thought to chew on;
The Anti's don't have to convert everyone, JUST THE MAJORITY!
The way I read it, I think you are seeing more 'frustration' than attitude.
OP is fighting a pre-planned attack on our country's constitutional rights with his reason. I said it before, I say it again, common sense has nothing to do with it, the goal is to make our country into a nation of gun hating dependent subjects. If that takes lies & propaganda, so be it.
The way our schools are teaching "evil of the gun" with fear even demonstrated by a child drawing a picture, the end of our gun ownership can't be too far away.
With each class that graduates, there are more & more people of voting age who literally cringe with fear if they see someone with a gun. 50 years ago, that number was 0% but today the gun haters are recruiting at an alarming rate & they are doing it under our very nose with our children in our schools.
How long will it take before the general populace will vote overwhelmingly to ban all private ownership of guns? IT'S COMMING, guys, in 10 or 20 years, the only guns you will see will be in the military.
One last parting thought to chew on;
The Anti's don't have to convert everyone, JUST THE MAJORITY!
ChattanoogaPhil
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GOAL is the largest gun rights organization in MA. Been in operation 40 years. Tomorrow is the rally they are calling for at the State House. They are asking "Who will stand with us?"
There's got to be enough retired, shift workers, days off, unemployed gun owners (not to mention spouces) in MA to fill up a several block area around the State House. Now is the time to show the fight. Looking forward to seeing pics of tens of thousands in massive crowds standing with GOAL fighting for their 2A rights.
There's got to be enough retired, shift workers, days off, unemployed gun owners (not to mention spouces) in MA to fill up a several block area around the State House. Now is the time to show the fight. Looking forward to seeing pics of tens of thousands in massive crowds standing with GOAL fighting for their 2A rights.
If you want to see pictures of large crowds at the State House, you'll probably have to look at the Northeast Shooters forum. I went to the rally back in January of 2013 and there were about 5,000 people there (by my estimate). From the media coverage, you wouldn't think that there were 500 people there.
I'm in one of the categories you list and I plan to be there early enough tomorrow to get a good spot. I know that the MA legislators are feeling some pressure because there are rumbles about amending the legislation to address some of the concerns we've raised. Putting pressure on them is the only way we will prevent a bad bill from passing. Even at that, it's not a sure thing.
If I can get some pictures I'll post them here.
I'm in one of the categories you list and I plan to be there early enough tomorrow to get a good spot. I know that the MA legislators are feeling some pressure because there are rumbles about amending the legislation to address some of the concerns we've raised. Putting pressure on them is the only way we will prevent a bad bill from passing. Even at that, it's not a sure thing.
If I can get some pictures I'll post them here.
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