Target stores

[GaryS]

That is a very nice list, thanks.

I have not been to a Target Store in the past two years but I
wanted to post this link, Texas3006.com - Your 30.06 Information Resource
which I ran across that lists a data base of stores that have
signs pertaining to guns, and information about whether the
sign meets the requirements of Texas Law. Some locations
do not have the signs on every door, in English and Spanish and some do not have the required size. That's pretty good
information to have if someone is thinking about going to a city they have not been to shop.

 

[hatt]

Spoken by someone who has no clue how legislation in Texas works. It took over 20 years for CC to pass. There is no need for the negative media attention caused by carrying the long gun into a private business.

The OC crew has made a difference alright. Several national chains now have public, no guns policies and one mall has legally posted. Not quite a positive difference.

As far as OC of the long guns, would the same point not be made by wearing an empty holster? Wouldn't that be less confrontational? Would any national chains pass a no empty holster policy? Could mad moms claim that they were terrorized by an empty holster? Do you not see that there are better options to get the same goal accomplished without jeopardizing the carry rights for long guns?

Pretty clear how the politicians and the large special interests works. Keep giving us money and after a while we'll pass/support something. I'm wondering why you're so concerned with what national corps do? Do all your Rights require corporate approval?

 

[cyphertext]

I'm wondering why you're so concerned with what national corps do? Do all your Rights require corporate approval?

When exercising my rights while on their property, yes, it does require their approval. Property owners have rights too.

 

[cyphertext]

They weren't on the other side until OCT started its actions and as a result they were forced to take sides and it wasn't our side. One has to wonder if OCT is funded by Bloomberg and other anti gun groups.

I don't think they are funded by Bloomberg, just don't know when to stop.

Here are a couple pics of Kory Watkins, leader of Open Carry Tarrant County, showing us that these requests from businesses are not bans...

 

[hatt]

When exercising my rights while on their property, yes, it does require their approval. Property owners have rights too.

Way to avoid the question. Guess I'm on the right track.

 

[cyphertext]

Way to avoid the question. Guess I'm on the right track.

How did that avoid the question?

Your rights are limited on private property, by the wishes of the property owner. Do you have the right to assemble on private property, against the wishes of the property owner? Do you have the right to practice your religion on private property, against the wishes of the property owner?


But since we are going to say folks are avoiding questions, I notice that you did not address any of my questions regarding using an empty holster to protest, mitigating all of the fallout that has come from the OC movement...

 

[Steve in Vermont]

I don't think they are funded by Bloomberg, just don't know when to stop.

Here are a couple pics of Kory Watkins, leader of Open Carry Tarrant County, showing us that these requests from businesses are not bans...

Someone openly carrying, such as this gentleman, doesn't bother me. I can understand why he is doing so, the only difference is he's not concealing the gun. But a semi auto rifle with a 30 round magazine? Carried by a youngster? I ask myself (a) why is he doing this and (b) how much experience does he have? At the range I've seen to many of these folks shooting these guns and acting as if they were playing volleyball at the beach. Joking, laughing, playing "Rambo", and so on. I've even run into a few who didn't know how to sight in their gun or properly clean it (one guy didn't even realize it had to be cleaned). THAT'S what bothers me about seeing these guns carrying in public. They're a walking AD, looking for somewhere to happen. (And the guy in this pic isn't)

 

[cyphertext]

Someone openly carrying, such as this gentleman, doesn't bother me. I can understand why he is doing so, the only difference is he's not concealing the gun. But a semi auto rifle with a 30 round magazine? Carried by a youngster? I ask myself (a) why is he doing this and (b) how much experience does he have? At the range I've seen to many of these folks shooting these guns and acting as if they were playing volleyball at the beach. Joking, laughing, playing "Rambo", and so on. I've even run into a few who didn't know how to sight in their gun or properly clean it (one guy didn't even realize it had to be cleaned). THAT'S what bothers me about seeing these guns carrying in public. They're a walking AD, looking for somewhere to happen. (And the guy in this pic isn't)

Steve, the guy in this pic carried an AK into these places a few weeks ago, and is now carrying a black powder revolver. Note the hat...

 

[cussedemgun]

I wear black today in memory of - -

- the freedom our country has lost since 9-11

Our country is steadily trading away our freedom, (That was won at the dear cost of life & limb of patriots both past & present) for the "promise" of more security.

Our present gov. is speeding our freedom's demise with such actions as domestic spying, creation of Homeland Security, & mandating the following of U.N. policies. The worst violation to our freedom is use of executive order (dictator like powers) to bypass the standard checks & balance system our gov. was meant to have.

I find it ironic & sad that of all past leaders, our present group in W.DC find so little to agree on & can't find any way to secure freedom, JUST tear it down little by little.

 

[the ringo kid]

The only reasons im banning spending money at a target store--is because they are higher priced than Wm HEBs and similar stores. Also, they (at least here) dont cary the range of products I want.

Lastly-and I dont know if true or not? I heard they were owned by the French and I DONT want my money going to France!

Just kiddin of course (on the last part).

 

[the ringo kid]

The only reasons im banning spending money at a target store--is because they are higher priced than Wm HEBs and similar stores. Also, they (at least here) dont carry the range of products I want.

Lastly-and I dont know if true or not? I heard they were owned by the French and I DONT want my money going to France!

Just kiddin of course (on the last part).

 

[Ranger17]

It may have been a bad coincidence but someone "leaving" a loaded 9mm in the toy aisle at a SC Target store last month I'm sure did not hurt the cause of those wanting to ban guns in stores

 

[federali]

Open Carry

My attitude towards open carry is necessarily influenced by the fact that I've lived virtually all of my professional and personal life in and around New york City, a blue city in a blue state where many people would be frightened by the sight of guns not being worn by uniformed police officers.

I, for one, do not wish to offend or frighten anyone. More importantly, in my opinion, open carry is tactically unsound and can easily invite a disarming attempt. At a minimum, it would cause a felon to change his tactics by dealing with you in a pre-emptive manner before you know you're in a gun battle. You are now at the wrong end of that fancy tricked out 1911 you carry, stuffed with the very latest and best-ist widow-making hollow-point ammo costing $1.50 per round.

I'm a 2nd Amendment advocate. Yet, as others have said here, we can hurt our cause by the "in-your-face" carry of paramilitary weapons when there's no enemy at the gates.

 

[M29since14]

Well said, SJshooter - and my sentiments exactly Old Bear. I don't shop at Target, but their "measured" response to the open-carriers does seem to be a polite request and not a tersely-worded proclamation that blatantly sides with the anti-2A crowd. At least that much is a good thing.

Lots of states have old statutes against "going about armed, in terror of the public." I am a bit surprised we don't see them being drug out and used. All we need to do is keep parading around with the AKs and ARs for no good reason. It will happen - or worse. Seems foolish in the extreme to provoke the hand-wringers.

 

[hatt]

How did that avoid the question?

Your rights are limited on private property, by the wishes of the property owner. Do you have the right to assemble on private property, against the wishes of the property owner? Do you have the right to practice your religion on private property, against the wishes of the property owner?


But since we are going to say folks are avoiding questions, I notice that you did not address any of my questions regarding using an empty holster to protest, mitigating all of the fallout that has come from the OC movement...

You avoided the question because their property rights don't figure in if you don't go on their property. So lets try this again. Do all your Rights require corporate approval?

 

[Coaltminer]

There is no common sense. I don't remember ever being in a Target store. If I had, they wouldn't have known I was armed. Not a problem for me.

 

[Joe Kent]

Quite frankly, in my humble opinion, open carry with military look-alike rifles does us all more harm than good. As a strong 2ND Amendment supporter who has carried for the last 45 years I am opposed to open carry in metro areas. When you are in more open areas it is not uncommon for everyone to have some type of long gun close at hand. Just use common sense. I know that myself and everyone I travel with go on full alert when we see someone with a slung or carried long gun . As I said earlier , it depends where you are. USE COMMON SENSE!

 

[cyphertext]

You avoided the question because their property rights don't figure in if you don't go on their property. So lets try this again. Do all your Rights require corporate approval?

Since the subject of the thread is "Target stores", I assumed the conversation would be about carrying in Target.

So, if your question is if exercising my rights on my own property or public property require corporate approval, then no.

But if I want to exercise those same rights on the property belonging to another, then I need their permission.

My rights do not trump the rights of others, especially while on their property...

I hope I have answered to your satisfaction. I am still awaiting an answer from you regarding protesting with an empty holster...

 

[hatt]

Since the subject of the thread is "Target stores", I assumed the conversation would be about carrying in Target.

So, if your question is if exercising my rights on my own property or public property require corporate approval, then no.

But if I want to exercise those same rights on the property belonging to another, then I need their permission.

My rights do not trump the rights of others, especially while on their property...

I hope I have answered to your satisfaction. I am still awaiting an answer from you regarding protesting with an empty holster...

No, you certainly didn't answer the question. But you dance better than Micheal Jackson. I'll try again.

Lets assume for a second the law didn't require you to enter someone's private property. Do all your Rights require corporate approval? Again, we're assuming that you could just avoid this company's property altogether. Please do not ponder private property rights. Private property rights have zero relevance in this scenario.

I'm going to post your original statement that led to the question.

Several national chains now have public, no guns policies and one mall has legally posted. Not quite a positive difference.

 

[cyphertext]

No, you certainly didn't answer the question. But you dance better than Micheal Jackson. I'll try again.

Lets assume for a second the law didn't require you to enter someone's private property. Do all your Rights require corporate approval? Again, we're assuming that you could just avoid this company's property altogether. Please do not ponder private property rights. Private property rights have zero relevance in this scenario.

I'm going to post your original statement that led to the question.

Sorry, but I have answered your question... I can not help that you refuse to accept the answer. Let me highlight where I answered you...

So, if your question is if exercising my rights on my own property or public property require corporate approval, then no.

My own property or public property indicates that I am not at Target or on the property of another and do not have to abide by their wishes..