Target stores

[the ringo kid]

I agree with the point about someone not going into a stor elooking like Rambo but, I see absolutely zilch wrong with a responsible law-abiding person carrying. Personally, if I started carryinga rifleagain--it would probably be my bolt-action long guns like muy 1998 Krag Carbine-or my G-98 Mauser. That said, imtoo tired these days t lug around a heavy rifle--so would stick with either my P-38 (NOt the can opener or my .45.

I grew up with seeing people everywhere carrying guns and never-ever-that I knew of--was there ever any shootings or other problems. Now--in my home town--that haschanged since people gradually stopped carrying them for one reason or another. I used to carry a Lithgow Lee-Enfield into the Wm in Kingsville--as well as Kleberg National Bank--never did anyone freak out at the sight of a rifle in civilian hands. Im sotired ofpeople freakingout at the site of a rifle--even if it looks like a military rifle.

Personally, I dont want any AR-type rifle--but I dont begrudge anyone else from wanting one or carrying one. If they appearemore and more inpublic? peoppe would stop thinking badly of them, wouldd mostly stopfreaking out at the sight of them. When it beomes a common every day thing? like what I grew up with--there would be near zero fear of them.

 

[ladder13]

Interesting poll on a hard left website, so much for this overwhelming fear I keep hearing about around here. You would think it would be 90% against the way people are wringing their hands.

Poll: Do you support Target's new firearms policy? | MSNBC

 

[HayesGreener]

This is not the first store to adopt such a policy and won't be the last. I am as strong a supporter of the 2nd Amendment as anyone but in my view openly carrying firearms in a locale where it is not the cultural norm and causes alarm is just rude and thoughtless. Doing so to provoke a response or to make a point is just plain stupid. Who shops in Target? Women. Scaring the **** out of soccer moms and female shoppers in general with guns will cost dearly-if you doubt that just look at the analysis of whose votes put that idiot in the White House. When I see these morons parading around a store with their black rifles my first impression is that they are looney fringe or wannabes. Where is the adult supervision? For crying out loud with the mass shootings in public places that fire up the loonies on the other end of the spectrum you would think they would want to tone it down a little. If you want to make a point on open carry, go in a Gander Mountain or Cabelas or Bass Pro Shops.

 

[cyphertext]

Interesting poll on a hard left website, so much for this overwhelming fear I keep hearing about around here. You would think it would be 90% against the way people are wringing their hands.

Poll: Do you support Target's new firearms policy? | MSNBC

Do you really think that poll is in any way accurate when it is being posted on every gun forum "go hit this poll!"?

Polls are only as reliable as the data put into them. If the sample population is being skewed one way or another, the output is meaningless.

I would be interested in seeing how much the network plays a part into the results though... wonder how much different the "Target did the right thing" side would be if the exact same poll was done by Fox News, or Alex Jones...

 

[ladder13]

Do you really think that poll is in any way accurate when it is being posted on every gun forum "go hit this poll!"?

Polls are only as reliable as the data put into them. If the sample population is being skewed one way or another, the output is meaningless.

I would be interested in seeing how much the network plays a part into the results though... wonder how much different the "Target did the right thing" side would be if the exact same poll was done by Fox News, or Alex Jones...

It's not overwhelming for the anti's so I'm happy. I hear there over 70-100 million gun owners in this country, so 28-30,000 votes for the good guys is miniscule. Hardly a "every gun forum notified" scenario. I'm betting the hard left faithful reads that website with great frequency, it is MSNBC after all, you'd think they might be able to muster more votes.

 

[RobzGuns]

Do you really think that poll is in any way accurate when it is being posted on every gun forum "go hit this poll!"?

Not any LESS accurate than being posted on a leftist news site like MSNBC.

Polls are only as reliable as the data put into them. If the sample population is being skewed one way or another, the output is meaningless.

I would be interested in seeing how much the network plays a part into the results though... wonder how much different the "Target did the right thing" side would be if the exact same poll was done by Fox News, or Alex Jones...

I'm figuring that if it WERE posted on either Fox, or Alex Jones, the Anti-2As would be posting for THEIR supporters to flood that poll too.

It's kinda like a Township/City/Whatever having someone do a study about Highways... The 1st question from the 'Study Group' is usually "What Outcome Are You Looking For?"
Numbers and Outcomes will be skewed, no matter what.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

It's not overwhelming for the anti's so I'm happy. I hear there over 70-100 million gun owners in this country, so 28-30,000 votes for the good guys is miniscule. Hardly a "every gun forum notified" scenario. I'm betting the hard left faithful reads that website with great frequency, it is MSNBC after all, you'd think they might be able to muster more votes.

You're right. You can bet Bloomberg's Momma's panties are in a bunch.

 

[keith44spl]

If'n Target thought they were about to loss 47% of their business....

They reverse their direction purty darn quick.


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Oh, they've loss my family's business.


.

 

[cyphertext]

If'n Target thought they were about to loss 47% of their business....

They reverse their direction purty darn quick.


.

Oh, they've loss my family's business.


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But they know they aren't...

I bet Cabela's, Bass Pro, and Academy would not issue this request... just saying, different market demo.

 

[cyphertext]

You're right. You can bet Bloomberg's Momma's panties are in a bunch.

They only have 2% currently...

 

[keith44spl]

Originally Posted by keith44spl


If'n Target thought they were about to loss 47% of their business....

They reverse their direction purty darn quick.


.

Oh, they've loss my family's business.


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But they know they aren't...

I bet Cabela's, Bass Pro, and Academy would not issue this request... just saying, different market demo.

Ah, you know what they say...

United We Stand, Divided We Fall!


For me and my house....We'll spend our fortune sumwheres else.


Cibertext,

You go on and uphold em if'n you want to.....


All My Best,
Dave

 

[cyphertext]

Ah, you know what they say...

United We Stand, Divided We Fall!


For me and my house....We'll spend our fortune sumwheres else.


Cibertext,

You go on and uphold em if'n you want to.....


All My Best,
Dave

I didn't say I supported their policy... just that this poll is fairly meaningless to them. They know they are not losing 44% of their business. Target does not carry firearms, shooting supplies, or hunting supplies. They have no fishing equipment to speak of, nor a decent selection of camping gear. Clearly their demographic is not firearms owners, sportsmen, or outdoorsmen...

 

[sipowicz]

If you don't want guns in your store, don't call it Target.

 

[george minze]

Steve, the guy in this pic carried an AK into these places a few weeks ago, and is now carrying a black powder revolver. Note the hat...

I sure feel safer with those guys in the store.....NOT !!!! Look like targets to me....But then I could be wrong...I only have 40+ years law enforcement experience..

 

[keith44spl]

Quote:
Originally Posted by keith44spl
Ah, you know what they say...

United We Stand, Divided We Fall!


For me and my house....We'll spend our fortune sumwheres else.


Cibertext,

You go on and uphold em if'n you want to.....


All My Best,
Dave

I didn't say I supported their policy... just that this poll is fairly meaningless to them. They know they are not losing 44% of their business. Target does not carry firearms, shooting supplies, or hunting supplies. They have no fishing equipment to speak of, nor a decent selection of camping gear. Clearly their demographic is not firearms owners, sportsmen, or outdoorsmen...

Yeah,

I reckon yur right....sportsmen, outdoorsmen and their families never buy any household items any way.

So, Target shouldn't worry too awful much about our demographics and dollars.

But, if yur a business that is open to the public....Except the public.

It's all in the perspective of one's own view or his or her experiences in life.
Those that have limited exposure to the public, are sometimes frightened by new or different things in life.

And we all know that Dallas and surrounding areas are jest so cosmopolitan these days.
Those folks in the Piney Woods and West Texas are jest so much hayseed.

Personally, I never been ask to leave a business because I was armed.
All I'm ever asked, "Is that a Colt 1911 or is that a Smith and Wesson .357?"
Or maybe, "Who made that holster and belt for you?"

But then again, I don't dress like an urban hoodlum neither.


I do agree that those folks pictured in George's post above,
ought to re-think their actions a bit.

Just who the hell would carry an ugly gun out in public anyhows, I ask ya?


God Bless Texas

Hook em Horns


.

 

[Hodgin]

It's all about context for me. First minute of this Jerry Miculek video has the right take on it in my opinion. Similar to why I might go without a shirt in my house or while doing yard work but won't go to church that way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGslzXxDhEU

 

[hatt]

I sure feel safer with those guys in the store.....NOT !!!! Look like targets to me....But then I could be wrong...I only have 40+ years law enforcement experience..

Targets to who? Unlikely any criminal would take on three guys with carbines if they didn't have to. Are you saying targets for police to gun down?

 

[Muss Muggins]

You avoided the question because their property rights don't figure in if you don't go on their property. So lets try this again. Do all your Rights require corporate approval?

From an early 20th century Supreme Court decision that is still binding precedent: "Your right to swing your arms freely ends at my nose."

 

[hatt]

From an early 20th century Supreme Court decision that is still binding precedent: "Your right to swing your arms freely ends at my nose."

What's your point? Too many are worry about what giant corporations think of their rights. It makes no sense. The last thing I'm worried about is what some guys in an office somewhere decide is their policy. Too easy to go to another establishment more inline with my values. Maybe even a local place with the owner walking around.

 

[dougb1946]

Ironically, I bought my first 2 pistols at a Target store. Wish I still had the Ruger mark 1.

As 2A applies only to the government restricting gun rights, this is not a 2A issue. It is a property rights issue-and you are still able to carry concealed. I won't let you into my house carrying a rifle or shotgun unless you are related by blood. Not 2A, but property rights. And even then, I expect the long gun to be in a case and cleared. I don't ask my brothers about CC, and they don't feel the need to wear an exposed gun.
This pretty well falls into the "no shoes, no shirt, no service" category and approaches public rudeness. If you are on somebodies property and break their rules, it is a trespass no matter how you rationalize it. Then it becomes a legal matter. Be polite and conceal carry.

Lets assume for a second the law didn't require you to enter someone's private property. Do all your Rights require corporate approval? Again, we're assuming that you could just avoid this company's property altogether. Please do not ponder private property rights. Private property rights have zero relevance in this scenario.

The argument about corporations controlling our rights is irrelevant here .(Red herring - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia). Your scenario is irrelevant to the Target case. If you are going on a corporations property, you do have to ponder their property rights. Failing to consider the owners rights is called "trespass", a traditional and respected set of laws that have existed pre 2A.