RalphMP9FS
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You are correct. I would call it respect and responsibility
CCW: Keep one in the pipe?
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You are correct. I would call it respect and responsibility
I will take that dangerous piece of equipment off your hands right now for $100.
RalphMP9FS
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Thanks, but I needed a perfect home defense weapon, and my M&P fills that void. Besides, this gave me a great reason to buy another semi.
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Aren't you afraid it will discharge in the middle of the night? Seriously, send me the pistol and $100, and I'll keep it safe for you.
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RalphMP9FS
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That's so thoughtful of you!
If you think that holstering and unholstering a gun is more dangerous than being in a gunfight, you have a bigger problem than gunfights.
cmort666
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Apart from the exceptions I've noted, I've almost never seen a RATIONAL reason, just fear of their own firearm, combined with whistling in the dark about their ability to defend themselves with an unloaded firearm. That's not mind reading, that's listening to what they say.
Their "reasoning" is remarkably similar to my mother's "reasoning" as to why I shouldn't carry AT ALL.
People have a right to have opinions.
They don't have the right for those opinions to be taken seriously by others if they shouldn't be.
cmort666
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I don't understand how it could go off holstered on his body, but not holstered off his body.
As I've said previously, these "arguments" in favor of unloaded carry are usually manifestations of fear overcoming rational thought.
I don't want to keep a around in the pipe...
It goes against my sense of safety. In SD however, readiness is important. A double action semi with a round in the pipe for me. Just like in HD, I don't want to have to manipulate anything except the trigger in a deliberate action.
It goes against my sense of safety. In SD however, readiness is important. A double action semi with a round in the pipe for me. Just like in HD, I don't want to have to manipulate anything except the trigger in a deliberate action.
cmort666
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Name a few... rational ones.
I'm from the government. I'm here to help.
To clarify I never meant to insinuate that I have a problem or care how other people carry, everyone should carry how they are comfortable, or that it's not worth carrying at all if you have a safety, I'm aware that would be a ludicrous statement. Having a gun at all is a step in the right direction. I simply meant that I do not believe special training is required to carry with a round in the pipe in a semi auto without a safety or with the safety disengaged. I have faith that firearms owners and CCW holders in general are capable of not shooting themselves if they choose to carry in this way. I don't believe the practice is inherently unsafe. It's as safe as the person practicing carrying that way is. With due diligence, the firearm will never "go off." The greatest safety is the one between the shoulders.
As far as a double action or single action first shot, I personally prefer double action, at least for the first shot. But that's just me. I believe, as members have attested, that it's indeed a viable option to carry C1.
It all boils down to our personal choices and how each of us choose to carry. I also enjoy reading arguments from both sides. Giving us things to think about are always good for affirming, reconsidering, or otherwise questioning those choices we make. Always a good thing.
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#1 Personal choice. Freedom to choose.
#2 Added layer of safety. Some people like a light trigger, maybe others want a stronger trigger for an added layer. Maybe others opt to buy their striker fired with the optional thumb safety for another layer of safety. Stronger triggers and thumb safeties don't generally begat a barrage of accusations of terror or fear of weapons. Why so with C3?
I think you refuse or are incapable of seeing that someone may just want another layer of safety which has nothing whatsoever to do with their fear of the weapon.
If you're arguing that they're not free to do whatever they want within the laws about their CCW then I have a problem with your rationale, not whether or not someone is just making a decision based on whatever they want to base their decision on.
Here's another thought. Responsible gun owners all agree that you should never point a weapon at anything you don't intend to shoot and that under no circumstances would it be appropriate to wave a loaded gun waving around and pointing at people. Why is that? It's impossible for that weapon to fire unless you pull the trigger. With that in mind, as long as you keep pressure off the trigger it's safe. So what is the purpose of not pointing at people?
Maybe I should add one more condition to my "if you can't.......then you shouldn't carry a gun.
Here goes.
If you can't have confidence that you can wave your loaded gun around in front of your family and friends without pulling the trigger then you shouldn't be carrying.
Ridiculous right? It's just a layer of safety though.
They don't need anyone telling them their thoughts and whether or not they are afraid.
Your gun, your CCW, your decision.
I don't understand which side of this argument you are occupying?
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Round and round we go...where stupidity stops...nobody knows!
You'll shoot your eye out!!!
I hope all the people that carry a gun with an empty chamber live to regret it. Until that happens they'll swear they're geniuses.
Please spare us further resurrection of this idiocy.
You'll shoot your eye out!!!
I hope all the people that carry a gun with an empty chamber live to regret it. Until that happens they'll swear they're geniuses.
Please spare us further resurrection of this idiocy.
Sorry if I've misled.
My position is that each individual makes a decision based on whatever factors they choose and it's really not anyone's business but their own.
The only time we should ever care is if someone is trying to dictate how another should act or if someone is trying to tell you why you made the decision or that your own decision is wrong.
For me, I carry C1 with my LCR and carry C1 with my M&P 9mm with the optional thumb safety installed and engaged. My decision.
There's not a shred of logic or justification in your post. You've resorted throwing disparaging remarks at the person and the argument but have provided no rationale that has not been clearly shown to have an opposing and logical viewpoint.
You're another person that refuses to believe there is another side of a belief than your own that is just as logical and intelligent as your own.
If you could actually show someone why they are wrong you'd have a point but you just think that you have the only right answer.
Then, you "hope that everyone that carries C3 lives to regret it." Seriously? What exactly should the average reader take from that comment other than that you're hoping that C3 leaves them harmed in some way.
Is this post really a true and accurate representation of your intellect and your regard for others? I doubt it.
Never waved my gun around under any circumstances. Whether it was revolver, 1911 or striker fired. IF my gun was ever pointed at anyone it was the person who needed a gun pointed at them.
cmort666
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Explain again how someone is safer by giving a violent assailant extra time to execute their attack...
Straw man fallacy.
But if you go down this road I'll argue that holstering the weapon gives more time for the assailant to execute their attack and therefore a pistol drawn ready position, one in the pipe of course, is the only real way to not give the assailant time to execute their attack. No sense in giving them the one more second it will take you to get the weapon out of the holster. If you can't carry at the high ready position at all times you shouldn't be carrying a gun.
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