Pre27 v. Pre28: Case Closed (AFAIAC)

[tops]

If a M28 and a M27 cost the same I am pretty sure most people would pick the M27. That leads me to believe that people that buy M28s buy them because they are cheaper. Riding a mule will get you where you are going but it ain't no thoroughbred. Boy o boy, didn't I step on a bunch of toes. Larry

 

[tops]

Python quality declined anyways. One of the reasons the Pythons get so much hype is the internet, and the fact they are not made anymore. Does anyone here really think that if Pythons were HALF as great as people claim, that Colt would not still be making them? Get real! Many people don't have RMs, or never heard of them, some don't have the coin, etc. and so the RM vs X comparisons are not common. Pythons were made much later and are way more common than even post war 5 screw model of 1950 357s, hence more people yak about them.



I wouldn't trade these 3 RMs for 8 Pythons! If you want to pay big money for a model that Colt completely stopped producing on their own, you be my guest!

S&W quality also declined over the years. If RMs were as great as people claim wouldn't S&W still be making them? Couldn't it be possible that the reason so many Pythons were made during their time is that many people recognized they were the best and were willing to pay for it. Gun Digest 1965: Python blue $125., nickel $137.50. M27 blue or nickel $120. During their time period the Python was higher priced than the M27. If you want to pay big money for a model (RM) that S&W quit producing be my quest. Just comparing S&W to what you said about Colt. Larry

 

[Göring's S&W]

S&W quality also declined over the years. If RMs were as great as people claim wouldn't S&W still be making them? Couldn't it be possible that the reason so many Pythons were made during their time is that many people recognized they were the best and were willing to pay for it. Gun Digest 1965: Python blue $125., nickel $137.50. M27 blue or nickel $120. During their time period the Python was higher priced than the M27. If you want to pay big money for a model (RM) that S&W quit producing be my quest. Just comparing S&W to what you said about Colt. Larry

I think your analogy leaves a lot to be desired. The model 27 is a descendant of the pre war 357 magnum, of which some were "registered" in the pre war years 1935 to 1939. The design of the N frame 357 was updated many times, but still is and always was a N frame 357 magnum. Any wise company does updates for any successful product or model. Ironically, the Python was not updated very much during its life which probably contributed to its downfall. The Python sales were not significantly higher than model 27 sales, so thats not a good point either. In fact, I bet that the model 27 handedly outsold the Python. The MSRP point is also irrelevant since that can be related to S&W having a superior manufacturing process, which they did. The proof of that? That they made DA revolvers longer, and their revolvers made S&W enough money for the DA model line to stay in continous production. If the Colt DAs were as great as people like you say, they would still be manufactured by Colt. Believe me, Colt didn't quit making the so called "best revolver of all time" because it made them tons of profit. Of course, one would have to think that the "best revolver ever made" would make the company who produces it tons of money, right? When the Pythons were at the sporting goods stores, there wasn't enough kool aid drinkers for Colt to keep making the Python. Funny how the "legend" of a Python was kept secret somehow when they were in production, and now when the prices have gotten high, and production ceased, now there is this legend. Now people are paying $1000s for the same damn revolver that Colt discontinued for many reasons and when they pay $2500 for a plain jane 1970s Python, they say they paid that cause its the best revolver ever made. I have never met an experienced knowledgable revolver shooter or collector who said that Pythons were the top dog, and IMO I never will.

The RMs are worth much more than Pythons, and they should be. The RM is a different class of a revolver. RMs are more historically significant, better made, better designed, they are more rare and often times their history is more interesting. On top of all that, RMs were first! Who here ever had to have a RM re-timed by the factory? The first year guns will be 80 next year, still going strong too!

I'm not sure what response you expected when you present this superficial analysis of the Colt Python vs S&W N frame 357 ON THE S&W FORUM!

 

[Nicksterdemus]

be my quest. . Larry

You're scaring me Larry.

 

[gmborkovic]

Hello Larry, from an old Virginia boy to a NC native, I take offense to your comment about my old mule, Ruth. She was the best four legged mode of transportation I ever owned. I had a horse training facility for show horses and jumpers. No saddle and a rope halter, she would walk me right to my favorite dove spot every time, stand in the shade without a flinch. I would appreciate a re-traction and come up with another comparison. Mike 2796

 

[CoMF]

"Registered Magnum!"

"Colt Python!"

"Inferior fit and finish!"

"Fragile lockwork!"

"Apples!"

"Oranges!"

 

[G-Mac]

If the SHTF I'd take my Ruger GP-100 over any of the above.

 

[71firebird400]

It doesn't take much to redirect a thread on the S&W forum into a Python bashing fest.....we're really showing our maturity on this one.

For the record I do not see the Colt forum threads bashing S&W's. Perhaps they are a more refined group of individuals

 

[Göring's S&W]

For the record I do not see the Colt forum threads bashing S&W's. Perhaps they are a more refined group of individuals

Perhaps its because S&Ws are that nice

 

[Rick_A]

If the SHTF I'd take my Ruger GP-100 over any of the above.

Not a bad idea. My Smiths are too pretty and valuable to beat up.

 

[BAM-BAM]

Page 2 ....." And now for the rest of the story......."


Boy this thread took a hard right turn.......LOL

RM and it's decedents Vs. Colt's Python..........

Python is the "cool gun" like the Model 29 (70s), Beretta 92 (80s) and Glocks (21st century) due to TV and Movie exposure........today the Python still plays a big roll on TV in shows like "The Walking Dead"!!!!

The Python is a sexy looking gun.... with a great screen presence!

The RM and Model 27 are understudies to the 29 ........ if a producer/director wants to use a Smith he/she will cast the Model 29 and make a big deal about it being a .44magnum...... Thanks to Clint!

My Dad loved and carried his Colt New Service in .357 magnum from 1939 until about the mid 60s ....... and it was his house gun until the 90s.

Me.... give me a S&W ....... size wise I prefer a K or L frame over the N.....but I do have a RM and a 4" Model 28

So to each their own..........but I would except a Python as a gift>>>>LOL

 

[hardscrabble]

Bam Bam said it all so I erased my post.

 

[Nicksterdemus]

If the SHTF I'd take my Ruger GP-100 over any of the above.

I'm more of a CCW guy, but in my opinion six well placed shots from a D frame 2" Colt Detective Special is of more value than five well placed shots from a J magnum frame 3" S&W model 60.

But if I only had two pistolas to hide on me for close social work those wouldn't be the ones.

They would be the early '70s 3" tapered barrel Bridgeport, Conneticut 5 shot Charter Arms .44 special & the 5 round bobbed hammer 3" full lug SS DAO M720 .44 spl Rossi.

Because life is too short to protect yourself w/anything starting less than four.

 

[tops]

Even though you didn't use a smiley or sarcastic face I am going to play like you were making a joke. I could say an ugly woman can cook as well a pretty woman can but a pretty woman looks better cooking but then somebody with an ugly wife will get upset. In this PC world any analogy I use will upset somebody. Even if you don't get to town very often you should know that riding a mule bareback with a rope halter ain't got no class. Larry

 

[44wheelman]

Okay, I'll argue.... just because I've got a late 1970's 27, and a mid 1960's 28-2.

The action on my "S" s/n 28 is way more consistent/smoother than my 27. But that is why I bought that 28; I owned both a 6" pre-28, and a 4" 28 and sold both for being "sub-par".

As far as Pythons... my Dan Wesson 15-2 shot half the group size of the Python at less than half the price. This was a brand new bright stainless 1993 Python, and was promptly sold. So more recently, wishing I still had my Python (for monetary gain only) I bought a 1960 mfg Python as prices were beginning to climb. Much different Python than what I had previously owned.

As for Dan Wessons, all of my Dan Wessons have a mediocre at best da trigger pull.... essentially they are super accurate single action target guns in my opinion.

So, in conclusion, I think SP's assessment is correct most of the time, but one can find an exception if one tries.

 

[Göring's S&W]

Looks like I was responsible for this drift What I didn't say was I had a Python years ago that cheated on me, and so I have been bitter ever since

We need to get back on track (27 vs 28), because as 71firebird400 said, the elites over at the Colt forum are too civilized to say anything negative about a S&W. They are more refined and cultured than anyone who would dare say something negative about a Python. Obviously it is my "maturity level" that caused me to discuss why I don't like Pythons, and why I think they are a tad over-rated. I should be ashamed of myself, and quite frankly, I am

So, I didn't say, but I had a 28-2 and a pre 28, and the trigger pulls were ok for both, both ways. I cannot remember which out of those 2 was better. I've owned 3 27-2s and 2 pre 27s and the pulls were generally good but the difference IMO were not significant. Perhaps a little lube and cleaning would have made the difference. As others and myself have stated, a large sample size is needed before drawing any type of valid conclusion on this subject.

 

[Muley Gil]

"Even if you don't get to town very often you should know that riding a mule bareback with a rope halter ain't got no class."

No, it just means you're po'!

I was at a mule show in Shelbyville TN back in the late '90s and there was a lady there who was riding her mule bareback, with just a piece of haybale string tied over her lower jaw. Now THAT was a well trained mule!

 

[BAM-BAM]

Why was the woman wearing "just a string tied over her lower jaw"????

Surprised you noticed the mule!!!!


LOL

 

[Art Doc]

By Texas Star-

"If you can't put all six holes touching closely in a pretty tight ragged hole at 25 yards from "offhand" at least fairly often, you aren't a very good pistol shot, and need to keep your results to yourself. " (Speaking of shooting a 357 Magnum revolver.)

I guess I'm not a very good pistol shot.

Really? A one hole group offhand at 25 yards is a measurement of mundane performance? Seriously, how many shooters can actually do that?

 

[Leatherhead23]

Smooth or not, I think both of those guns need a set of target stocks. Probably make you shoot better...