Buying Here for Resale > New Rules

I have bought 2 guns from ads on this site. Both for my personal use and I guess my collection although I have never though of it as collecting. I buy it, I shoot it. Both were good deals not so much for the price but, for the excellent condition they were in.

I am opposed to buying here just to turn around and sell for profit. I see this place as a community with a common interest in S&W guns and information on them. Correct me if I am wrong.

I do not see this place as a place to make a quick profit. If anyone should profit from here it would be Handejector. I believe he has the right to run it as he pleases and set rules in place he feels are appropriate. I see no problem with a 24 hour rule for multiple buyers. I can't imagine that many sellers are in that big of hurry and if the price is really that good it won't last 24 hours anyway.
 
I'm gonna work against the grain here for 1 minute.

I've sold a handful of guns here on the forum. Mostly doubles I wanted to sell to clear space for new ones. I was happy to see one of the known dealers buy. The transaction (s) are flawless. They don't try to negotiate.....send payment immediately and NEVER complain about the gun when it arrives. How much better does it get? I got what I wanted....they may or may not get what they want. The risk is theirs after the "I'll take it". I don't have to deal with bumping the thread, taking offers or the chance someone will be upset when it arrives. I always take good, clear photos but some complain about everything.

To be honest ...from now on if I want a quick sale I'll contact these folks via email or PM.

If you look at the possibility others will do the same....now the 2 min window on the classifieds doesn't look so bad.

Final point....for some that have suggested restricting # of buys to once a week or month I sure hope 2 Grail guns show up in 2 days, then you will complain about that too....just saying.


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I occasionally sell and or buy from the classifieds here........

When I offer something for re-sale at what I believe is a fair market value,

One person's monies is just as good as any others, as far as I'm concerned.

If I see something for re-sale here, at a price I am willing to pay,
my cash on the barrel head should be as good as any one else's monies.

I am not a dealer.

But, what I do with said purchases or monies received from a transaction is my business.

If I want to re-build, re-make, re-chamber or re-sale an item,
it is solely my business and my business alone.


In closing, some here know their 'oats' and others are
just learning to be better judges of the value of items in question.

He who hesitates is lost, I guess........
Or, jest left whining and wring their hands.

Su Amigo,
Dave
 
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A few highlights...

Just thought I'd compile a few highlights of the suggestions in this thread...


...24 hour waiting period...

...1 gun per month...

...3 day waiting period...


Charlton Heston is rolling over in his grave.
 
Lee, I noticed that you revised the definition to include "Dealers, Traders and Flippers".

Aside from the two or three obvious cases, (which "everyone" seems to know about and in my admittedly uninformed opinion, could be better solved by directly addressing the offenders rather than attempting to define the parameters of what exactly constitutes dealing, trading, or flipping) it seems to me that some of us may be accused by someone of being a "Flipper" simply because we know a good deal when we see one and they couldn't make up their mind.

If you seek evidence of this all-too-common occurrence, all you have to do is reread the multitude of posts by the folks who don't have 22LR and find that they feel better about themselves by painting those of who do with a Scarlet "A".

I guess am looking for definitions of the terms "Dealer". "Trader" and "Flipper."

Thank you for trying to make this a better forum.
 
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LoboGunLeather said:
Those who have created, managed, and maintained this forum may establish any rules they wish for the conduct of this forum. I have no problem with that aspect.

As to the reported practices, and some forum members' complaints about such practices, I will offer some thoughts:

1. Each seller must be presumed to wish to sell the item offered, and willing to accept the offered price.

2. Each purchaser must be presumed to wish to buy the item offered, and willing to accept the stated price.

3. The definition of "fair price" is that amount a willing seller will accept and a willing purchaser will pay, neither party acting under duress.

4. The purported facts that other interested parties have been unable to purchase desired items because others acted more quickly does not have any application to the transactions in question.

5. The purported facts that some purchasers are reselling at a profit has no application to the transactions in question.

We have no way of knowing why each seller is selling. We must assume that they want or need the money more than they want or need the item in question.

Why a purchaser is buying is no business of anyone else. He wants what has been offered and is willing to pay the requested price. The fact that he got there first is no indication that anyone else has been somehow cheated. The fact that he later resells the same item at a higher price indicates only that another satisfactory transaction has occurred.

My $0.02 worth.
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THIS!!!!!!!!
 
This may work in a very few cases where the buyer is totally honest. The person who wants to make a quick buck will not stop and you may never know.

I feel like the seller can ask what he/she thinks what they'd like to get out of the sale. They sell the gun and are happy with the outcome. The buyer "flips" the gun and also makes a few bucks. Might be better to sellers to also think about using GB as well.

I can also understand the feeling of trying to sell to a forum member and, hopefully give it a good home.
 
I think some of us have gotten a little "spoiled" by the way things are run here and maybe don't remember, or weren't around when Mike ******** owned the place. If it was learned that you bought a gun in the classifieds and flipped it, you could be banned. One gun!! That's all it took.

When Lee acquired the place, he decided to let it go until it became an issue.

Apparently to many, it has.

I certainly don't see this as a Second Amendment issue! This is a collectors forum and Lee can run it any way he chooses fit.

Did it occur to everyone that Lee himself is a gun dealer? I think we will all have to agree that Lee lays off of guns in the classifieds so that the average member can have a shot at it. If the owner of the board himself can extend that kind of courtesy, I don't think it's much to ask from a small number of dealers who have been immediately flipping guns.
 
Giving ALL members a FAIR CHANCE to buy.

Dealers, Traders, and Flippers buying for RESALE are required to WAIT 24 hours after an ad is posted before buying.
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In response to some previous posts.

1) Yes the seller sets the price. The policy will have NO EFFECT on the sale prices.

2) This policy still allows QUICK sales to regular members. Just not to flipping dealers for the first 24 hours. Long ago I bought one pistol within ten minutes of posting. Only one and I still have it. This will give ALL MEMBERS an equal chance to buy a bargain.

3) Would the possible 24 hour increase in the time for the sale and payment really be a problem? Is time is that critical ?? Go to GB with a BUY-IT-NOW PRICE.

A similar policy is in effect at a " charitable thrift" shop in Paducah KY. They have a sign posted "Our employees and volunteers are NOT ALLOWED to purchase any items until they have been on the floor for at least 24 hours."

A different " charitable thrift" shop in Murray KY DOES NOT have a similar policy. Some good items NEVER get to the floor for the public to buy. Items are bought by some workers while still in the back room and then end up at their "flea market" booths. (e.g. A bed room set was donated on Tuesday morning and was in a "flea market" booth that afternoon.)

You can easily guess where I take my donations. Both shops make good use of their money to those in need. Only one shop makes the effort to also be fair to the buying public.

Bekeart
 
Don't have a solution, but a question...

I don't post much but have set up auto notification of new/updated post on about nine sections which I then peruse about every morning with my coffee.

Continually see a Classified that I would be very interested in for my collection only to find that it has an "I'll take it" posted 1 min. and 31 secs after the original post. How is that even possible????? Doesn't seem to make any difference when/time of day the original is posted. No one (?) can sit at their computer 24 hrs/day, refresh the screen every 10 sec., read the Classified, and post an "I'll take it" in under 2 min. on "lots" of great guns, can they?????

Therefore, have NEVER been able to add to the collection (would like to) from here. So, how does one see every new Classified and post an "I'll take it" in less than 2 min.? Maybe that's what I need know/do to buy here.

Steve Sprague
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Guns for sale should be offered to the community here before dealers are allowed to buy them all up.its only right that collectors/ shooters here are giving the opportunity to keep these guns here within the community.
 
I'm very active on a trading site in Georgia. This happens there too. But it's mostly high volume traders who don't have FFLs. It happens on eBay, garage sales, consignment shops, 22lr at Wal-Mart. The early bird gets the worm. Regulations are inherently inefficient and typically hurt more than help.

This isn't scarce life saving medicine. It's a hobby. Let it be. This whole thread is whining against the free market. And while my undergrad is economics, I vote left.
 
oksws said:
Don't have a solution, but a question...

I don't post much but have set up auto notification of new/updated post on about nine sections which I then peruse about every morning with my coffee.

Continually see a Classified that I would be very interested in for my collection only to find that it has an "I'll take it" posted 1 min. and 31 secs after the original post. How is that even possible????? Doesn't seem to make any difference when/time of day the original is posted. No one (?) can sit at their computer 24 hrs/day, refresh the screen every 10 sec., read the Classified, and post an "I'll take it" in under 2 min. on "lots" of great guns, can they?????

Therefore, have NEVER been able to add to the collection (would like to) from here. So, how does one see every new Classified and post an "I'll take it" in less than 2 min.? Maybe that's what I need know/do to buy here.

Steve Sprague
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This combined with the same few people that have run this into the ground, is why this thread was started.
 
ralph7 said:
This combined with the same few people that have run this into the ground, is why this thread was started.
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Get Tapatalk and setup notifications. I did it from my hospital Bed. So Can You. That way you can beat the dealers and buy that Grail gun you have always wanted.

It's 2014 and technology advances daily. Use it, embrace it, enjoy it. I Sure Do.
 
This honestly seems a little childish. Does anyone else find it unusual that the complaints of dealers buying for resale are coming from buyers and not sellers. This really seems to be sour grapes on the wanna be buyers part. Price was listed, seller got asking price, almost everyone is happy, well except the guy who didn't get the "deal". The for sale sections are like a gun-show, first person with the cash walks with it. If you want to eliminate flipping ban dealers from the sale forum and start another dealer friendly sale section for flipping guns. Maybe a sticky thread that lists suspected dealers and flippers would be a way to go.

As a collector that has purchased a metric ton of firearms, grips and etc from this board with an "I will take it." I wonder if I will be labeled as a dealer/ flipper, even though I'm not, due to the amount of items I purchase on here as soon as they are listed.

I read a lot in the other sections of the forum but with all the knowledge contained in this place I really don't feel like I have much to add to the technical or historic discussions, but post up a gun I like I will post in a second if I want it for the collection. Not that I should have to explain myself.

Thanks to everyone that help make this forum what it is. I love this place the way it is.
 
TAROMAN said:
I have ceased offering anything for sale here. That's after seeing several items that I offered at friendly prices to supposed fellow enthusiasts immediately appear on GB or ebay.
Rarely even look at the classifieds any more.
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And there's the problem....

The classifieds here were always reasonable priced firearms (mostly) because I think people felt it was more of a friend to friend sale, not a retail store.

With dealers/re-sellers buying up everything they can, I've seen a LOT of pricing go from buddy to buddy pricing to LGS pricing.

A forum in my eyes is where a group of people can come and share ideas, and sell to like minded people for reasonable prices without having a dealer/re-seller smear good intentions.

I for one don't think there's any reason to have dealers or re-sellers buying here period.

I've left many a good deal sit because it was something I didn't want, and left it for the guy who wants it for a collection, or to actually use it. Just because you know the value of a piece, and could flip it, doesn't make it OK to buy it.

I think it detracts from the forum, if the sellers wanted the gun on Gunbroker, LGS, or the likes, to bring top dollar, they would put it there themselves!!!!
 
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