nawilson
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I suspect he was referring to the difference between a CNA, which takes about 6 weeks of training, and an RN which takes several years. Regardless, the young lady is in my prayers.
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I suspect he was referring to the difference between a CNA, which takes about 6 weeks of training, and an RN which takes several years. Regardless, the young lady is in my prayers.
That seems like a reach. I know RN's who are as young as this woman appears to be . . . Can be easily attained by age 22.
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Ok, had wondered what you meant.
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The news seems to try to reassure people by saying the dog has no symptoms, I suppose someone needs to look up what "asymptomatic"means in terms of dogs as carriers. The Spaniwh authorities knew enough to put down the nurse's dog there. Apparently no one in Dallas is willing to deal with the animal lovers. Let us hope the dog doesn't kill anyone.
Ebola: How long can it live on a surface? What if it mutates? | CTV News answers questions about how long ebola survives on a surface. Answers originate with Canandian authorities since many do not truust the CDC. Summary is that under field conditions probably just a few hours outside the body, but under ideal (for the virus)conditions a few days if in dried matter (like a hunk of vomit).
I wonder if anyone knows if bed bugs can transmit the virus or if that has been overlooked.
Ebola: How long can it live on a surface? What if it mutates? | CTV News answers questions about how long ebola survives on a surface. Answers originate with Canandian authorities since many do not truust the CDC. Summary is that under field conditions probably just a few hours outside the body, but under ideal (for the virus)conditions a few days if in dried matter (like a hunk of vomit).
I wonder if anyone knows if bed bugs can transmit the virus or if that has been overlooked.
In other (non) Ebola news. The patient seen in Braintree, MA yesterday and the five people who became ill on a plane that landed at Logan airport don't have Ebola.
Which means that the only confirmed cases are in Dallas.
Public health officials are in a tough spot, partially of their own making. For the last 30 or so years they have concentrated on things like seat belts, anti smoking campaigns, and the like while ignoring communicable diseases. As a result, their ability to deal with diseases like Ebola is virtually non existent. Which has lead us to the circumstances where the head of the CDC claims the infected nurse "violated" protocol, but could not name which protocol that might have been. Nor could he outline what the protocol was.
He could however, tell you that guns in the home are a bad idea.
Which is why public health in this country has turned into a public embarrassment.
Which means that the only confirmed cases are in Dallas.
Public health officials are in a tough spot, partially of their own making. For the last 30 or so years they have concentrated on things like seat belts, anti smoking campaigns, and the like while ignoring communicable diseases. As a result, their ability to deal with diseases like Ebola is virtually non existent. Which has lead us to the circumstances where the head of the CDC claims the infected nurse "violated" protocol, but could not name which protocol that might have been. Nor could he outline what the protocol was.
He could however, tell you that guns in the home are a bad idea.
Which is why public health in this country has turned into a public embarrassment.
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Richmond, Va. Possible Ebola patient just arrived from Africa. Being evaluated at VCU Medical collage. He went to a medical clinic, which has been closed and the workers are in quarantine.
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Or even that there ever was a protocol.
Arrogance don't save lives, and that seems to be the only thing in abundance.
A medical professional has contracted it. She didn't know how to handle the situation.
You would think they would have some valid information about ebola, but it seems that isn't the case.
What's worse is that we know nothing but what it's called.
There's no way the claims about it's transmissability are correct.
The CDC would have us believe you need to mainline infected fluids to get it. I doubt that she went that far.
It's obviously transmissible. More so than HIV, perhaps less so than the flu. But we honestly have no working idea of what we are facing, and I don't believe there will be any effort to correct this problem until the scale of the problem is too large for it to have a positive impact on the epidemic.
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Don't forget that journalist with the odd name somewhere in one of the Midwest states, maybe Nebraska. He has it, but is reported to be doing okay, considering.
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NO MORE FLIGHT TO AND FROM EAST AFRICA FOR A PERIOD OF TIME. Why send the Marines, they use Navy Corpsmen.....Must be a reason????
At least now we know: "stopping ebola is hard."
Thanks to the head of CDC for this clarification. (Since the CDC spent hundreds of millions of dollars on a program to establish bike paths throughout the U.S.)
Thanks to the head of CDC for this clarification. (Since the CDC spent hundreds of millions of dollars on a program to establish bike paths throughout the U.S.)
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From the "You can't make this stuff up" department
The 5PM Monday news here in Vegas opened with a lead story on the Ebola situation in Dallas. THEN...
There followed an absolutely joyous piece that Southwest Airlines has finally opened a Dallas-to-Las Vegas direct route!
Something about this does not exactly make me feel comfortable.
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The 5PM Monday news here in Vegas opened with a lead story on the Ebola situation in Dallas. THEN...
There followed an absolutely joyous piece that Southwest Airlines has finally opened a Dallas-to-Las Vegas direct route!
Something about this does not exactly make me feel comfortable.
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venomballistics
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something about a horse whip and a gallon of lemon juice .....
This is going to get costly
The only confirmed case of transmission within the US is the Dallas nurse. I should have been more clear on what I was trying to say. The journalist from NBC was exposed and contracted the disease in Africa.
One benefit of having survivors is that their plasma can be used to treat other victims. The doctor that was flown back to Atlanta and survived has now donated blood to the journalist and the nurse. If they both survive, they will be able to do the same. It's not the same as preventing the spread of the disease, but it will help anyone else who contracts it. Or at least might.
One benefit of having survivors is that their plasma can be used to treat other victims. The doctor that was flown back to Atlanta and survived has now donated blood to the journalist and the nurse. If they both survive, they will be able to do the same. It's not the same as preventing the spread of the disease, but it will help anyone else who contracts it. Or at least might.
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The WHO raised the death rate estimate to 70 percent from 50 percent.
No one, that I am aware of, has pointed out that the Christmas season is upon us almost. The US retail sector depends on sales this time of year...people crowding into stores, etc. Perhaps Amazon will do record business.
A UN worker died in Germany after getting the virus in Liberia. His name, and ethnic background have not been released. So far, Europeans have a higher survival rate. Louis Farrakhan has noticed this too and claims biological warfare. I continue to subscribe to the theory that the Black Death was more of an Ebola like event. Because of it, those of European ancestry have inherited a better chance to either survive ebola or be immune. There is a body of research that supports this. Edit slash update...The deceased UN official was Sudanese.
Meanwhile flights from Liberia to elsewhere mainly go through Brussels. The Belgian government is not screening travelers at all, not even taking temperatures. Nor has anyone in the State Department apparently been clever enough to pressure Belgium to ban flights, rendering an American travel ban moot. Nor has Liberia, easily pressured, been strong armed into banning travel on their end...
No one, that I am aware of, has pointed out that the Christmas season is upon us almost. The US retail sector depends on sales this time of year...people crowding into stores, etc. Perhaps Amazon will do record business.
A UN worker died in Germany after getting the virus in Liberia. His name, and ethnic background have not been released. So far, Europeans have a higher survival rate. Louis Farrakhan has noticed this too and claims biological warfare. I continue to subscribe to the theory that the Black Death was more of an Ebola like event. Because of it, those of European ancestry have inherited a better chance to either survive ebola or be immune. There is a body of research that supports this. Edit slash update...The deceased UN official was Sudanese.
Meanwhile flights from Liberia to elsewhere mainly go through Brussels. The Belgian government is not screening travelers at all, not even taking temperatures. Nor has anyone in the State Department apparently been clever enough to pressure Belgium to ban flights, rendering an American travel ban moot. Nor has Liberia, easily pressured, been strong armed into banning travel on their end...
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George, your geography is a little shaky. The problem countries are across the continent from where you said.
I think I read where the Republic of South Africa has taken steps to ban flights or persons from certain West African countries, known for the Ebola crisis. Even with the changes in government there since 1994, South Africa remains head and shoulders above most African countries.
Nevertheless, if you saw footage of Nelson Mandela's funeral and know about the "translator" provided to Obama, you can see why things in Africa are suspect, at best . And that was in what is easily the most advanced African nation.
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SW Airlines is a good outfit. Until now, the Wright Amendment limited where they could fly. That expired yesterday, and SW can now fly anywhere they choose. I like it better than any other airline on which I've flown. And Love Field is much closer to me than the huge D-FW airport.
Other airlines were already taking people from Dallas to Las Vegas, so you would already be at risk if any have Ebola.
But just think how I feel, living so close to the neighborhood where that nurse is from!
And many taxi drivers here are from West African countries and may have relatives arrive from there or already be associates of the dead patient and his family and friends.Having been a patient at Presbyterian, I can tell you, I am not too confident that they have their act together in some departments. I sometimes had experiences there about as bad as with the VA. I could say more, including a comment by a doctor, but I don't want to risk getting him in trouble if they figure out who he is. Let's just say that he was skeptical that Presby would do much for me other than provide me with a huge bill for services that might not help much. I used to work for a company that forbade transporting employees to Presby, although it was the closest hospital if one of our men was shot or otherwise injured on the job. (Private security firm.) Presby has a rep for high billing practices.
That said, they have a really good respiratory/asthma program, if it's still as it was a few years ago. I felt well taken care of there. It does take a lot of walking to get around in that hospital; it's huge.
After listening to news reports over the past few days, I'm more and more convinced that the CDC is not on top of this disease.
They don't BELIEVE it can become airborne, but they're really not sure. I say this because, according to an Epidemiologist I was listening to there is a similar, less deadly but related virus that can become airborne. The PRESUME the poor nurse who contracted the disease in Dallas did not follow protocols, but no one I'm aware of other than the CDC has indicated this, including the team she was working with. And, within the last day or so, they have MODIFIED THE PROTOCOLS. Wouldn't this all seem to indicate that they are just guessing about this stuff?
My confidence in the CDC is shot.
They don't BELIEVE it can become airborne, but they're really not sure. I say this because, according to an Epidemiologist I was listening to there is a similar, less deadly but related virus that can become airborne. The PRESUME the poor nurse who contracted the disease in Dallas did not follow protocols, but no one I'm aware of other than the CDC has indicated this, including the team she was working with. And, within the last day or so, they have MODIFIED THE PROTOCOLS. Wouldn't this all seem to indicate that they are just guessing about this stuff?
My confidence in the CDC is shot.
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venomballistics
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Mine was shot after Duncan was released.
really, how hard would it have been to put out a notice to ask a simple question to the effect of "been to Liberia lately?" while theres an active mess in the world.
We are gun people.
Looking at a single component, gun powder, vital to our activities, do you know where it comes from?
Finland, Canada, Israel, Australia, US, probably some from Switzerland as well.
Point is, this world is not nearly as large as the egos trying to run it.
Liberia, Spain, Sierra Leone, Bolivia, Ukraine, Belarus, Singapore, and Cambodia are a little closer to our back yards than they used to be. Yet no one seems to be willing to act the part.
Comrad
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I'm not a health care worker but I can guarantee the isolation garments I've seen the TV news bragging about has a hole in it big enough to drive a truck load of ebola through. Doctors wrapped from hands and feet up over the head, big welder type mask and every one, each and every one with their neck exposed. Come on when I went to school covering up meant every square inch of skin.
No wonder healthcare workers are getting infected.
No wonder healthcare workers are getting infected.
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