Giving in to North Korea

[Bat Guano]

"Any time you think of a course of action and say to yourself, "That's crazy!", it's something that someone somewhere has at least given serious consideration to."

Yeah, it's called the whole of history...

And everybody that starts something thinks they will have won and the boys will be home for Christmas.

 

[LostintheOzone]

Redirected.

 

[loknload]

Isn't Dennis Rodman in tight over there? Maybe he can get the rest of the story?

 

[Hapworth]

Well, it certainly wouldn't be the first time the adm indicted a regime falsely. Iraq comes to mind here.

Careful -- that is some way off topic thin ice you just veered the thread onto. Bottom line, there are so many fundamental differences between the two situations as to put them in different galaxies.

Feel free to PM for further discussion if you like, but let's not get this thread locked...

 

[goldenlight]

The USA REALLY needs to expend the resources to hack North Korea's computers back to the stone age. Pull some of the best hackers out of prison, and put them to work, if necessary.

 

[derek45auto]

 

[cmort666]

Kim Jong Un: Chris Griffin from "Family Guy" as James Bond villain

 

[cmort666]

The USA REALLY needs to expend the resources to hack North Korea's computers back to the stone age. Pull some of the best hackers out of prison, and put them to work, if necessary.

That's kind of like shooting ISIS's [nonexistant] "airforce" out of the sky.

A FAR more effective strategy would be to go after their various criminal enterprises in a serious way, especially the finances.

In addition, a MASSIVE campaign of ridicule, through the media, and financed by the U.S. and Japanese governments should be directed against Kim Jong Un and the rest of the Orcs in his "government". The government should buy BOTH "The Interview" AND "Team America, World Police" and distribute them freely over the internet. People in tiny villages in Gabon should know Kim Jong Un as the dope whose head blows up in a movie. He should be made to lose so much "face" that he'll think that he went for a spa treatment at Hannibal Lecter's salon.

 

[Hapworth]

That's kind of like shooting ISIS's [nonexistant] "airforce" out of the sky.

A FAR more effective strategy would be to go after their various criminal enterprises in a serious way, especially the finances.

In addition, a MASSIVE campaign of ridicule, through the media, and financed by the U.S. and Japanese governments should be directed against Kim Jong Un and the rest of the Orcs in his "government". The government should buy BOTH "The Interview" AND "Team America, World Police" and distribute them freely over the internet. People in tiny villages in Gabon should know Kim Jong Un as the dope whose head blows up in a movie. He should be made to lose so much "face" that he'll think that he went for a spa treatment at Hannibal Lecter's salon.

Agreed wholeheartedly on points two and three -- three most especially for the sheer joy of it; few really understand what a powerful tool ridiculing is in the international game, it isn't used intelligently or enough.

Arguably, NK does get it; if they're responsible for the hack and subsequent terrorist demands, it's likely in part because they know what kind of influence international ridicule can have, even on the black market relationships in which they do most of their business.

But goldenlight is correct in suggesting an Operation Olympic Games style dump on NK's networks; those networks do exist and they're advanced. Don't let the medieval state of the rest of the country be misleading: the citizens freeze and starve and toil in squalor because all national resources go to military development and the lifestyles of a few elite families.

 

[cmort666]

But goldenlight is correct in suggesting an Operation Olympic Games style dump on NK's networks; those networks do exist and they're advanced. Don't let the medieval state of the rest of the country be misleading: the citizens freeze and starve and toil in squalor because all national resources go to military development and the lifestyles of a few elite families.

I'm sure that the DPRK has a network infrastructure of some sophistication for C&C, espionage, limited commercial applications, criminal enterprises, and amusement of the nomenklatura.

That being said, I would expect that in scope and sophistication, it wouldn't rise to the level of the Cleveland Clinic. To meet the regime's actual needs, it wouldn't need to.

 

[NJM15]

Looks like Sony is waving the white flag...well, they are a Japanese company and the Japanese are awfully scared of North Korea.

Hollywood incredulous over Sony's 'unAmerican act of cowardice' - Telegraph

We react differently then they do, point in question what if N Korea made a movie about assassinating our president, how would we take it?
Distasteful of course, but react with internet espionage , I don't think so

 

[Triathloncoach]

I suppose it's inconsequential that the movie has received horrendous reviews. Sony may save money by not releasing it. Or selling it to the tax payers.

 

[cmort666]

We react differently then they do, point in question what if N Korea made a movie about assassinating our president, how would we take it?
Distasteful of course, but react with internet espionage , I don't think so

I'd be astonished if they HAVEN'T.

 

[NJM15]

We should have listened to General Douglas mc Arthur and finished the job but he was relieved of his post by Pres. Truman for insubordination The American troops drove the north Koreans to the Chinese border and the Chinese were about to join the N Korean forces to fight against the American force. McArthur suggested bombing China and finish the job that we were fully in control of but now they have nuclear weapons and cyber attacks on us as a result. Let me finish, I am getting too riled up to move on to Vietnam

 

[Hapworth]

I suppose it's inconsequential that the movie has received horrendous reviews. Sony may save money by not releasing it. Or selling it to the tax payers.

There is an argument that the silver lining in all this mess is Sony got to detach (for now, anyway) from a movie that by most projections leading up to the hack was going to be an under-performer.

But in terms of total costs to Sony, financial, legal, investigative and image -- this is a massive loss.

Ironically, depending on how it all plays out, they might still release the film and see significantly more sales from notoriety.

 

[jtcarm]

Normally this would bother me but with the **** coming out of Hollywood (I've seen the previews) hopefully they will cancel it for good...

I don't care if it's Michael Moores garbage, NEVER give in to terrorist threats from a despotic govt.

What's next? Hack Kia and tell us to quit importing South Korean cars? Terrorist threats against gun shops if they don't quit selling assault-style rifles.

Can't happen you say? Who would've thought we'd be having this discussion.

We should have listened to General Douglas mc Arthur and finished the job but he was relieved of his post by Pres. Truman for insubordination The American troops drove the north Koreans to the Chinese border and the Chinese were about to join the N Korean forces to fight against the American force. McArthur suggested bombing China and finish the job that we were fully in control of but now they have nuclear weapons and cyber attacks on us as a result. Let me finish, I am getting too riled up to move on to Vietnam

Personally, I think that would've pulled the Russians in. Dugout Doug was an arrogant ***, anyway. Besides, I preferred Patton's suggestion of taking on the Russians at the end of WWII. Would've saved much of Europe 20 years of tyranny. A lot of surrendering German troops assumed we would go to war with Russia and volunteered to fight with us.

In the same vein, after nuking Japan, instead of rebuilding, we should've re-armed and sent them after the Chicoms.

 

[LostintheOzone]

We should have listened to General Douglas mc Arthur and finished the job but he was relieved of his post by Pres. Truman for insubordination The American troops drove the north Koreans to the Chinese border and the Chinese were about to join the N Korean forces to fight against the American force. McArthur suggested bombing China and finish the job that we were fully in control of but now they have nuclear weapons and cyber attacks on us as a result. Let me finish, I am getting too riled up to move on to Vietnam

The Chinese knew US wasn't going to use nukes. Russian spies had alerted the Chinese to the fact that Truman wouldn't allow it. Game over for us. If that hadn't have happened MC could have kept on going and taken the whole Korean Peninsula. The Chinese were in retreat until that happened and would have retreated back to the Chinese border. NK would have surrendered.

 

[Onomea]

Sony Entertainment CEO says news and the prez have it wrong, and that Sony did not cave to the Norks: Sony exec: 'We have not caved' - Video - Media

 

[loknload]

Theatre owners fault, they're refusing to show it.
I think they should set up giant humongous screens along the Korean border and start showing the film non stop!
Sneak in a Stealth bomber airdrop of free DVDs!

 

[Lt JL]

All of NORK oughta go dark for about 8 hours. NO power. We could do it. I hope we do.How long we gonna let these little weasles poke us with a sharp stick. We haven't flexed our muscles for real since the first week of Gulf I.