Giving in to North Korea

The suggestion that it could really be China that is behind it is interesting. I too have my doubts that NK has the capability, but their lack of infrastructure for the general population isn't relevant. Dictators will always impoverish the nation building defenses against their 'enemies'.

I believe China has considered itself to be at war with the US for years, they just aren't using bullets. Who knows though. NK may be too nuts for even China to partner with.
 
I once had a conversation with a relative who worked as an intel analyst for the Gov't for many years. 8 years Army and 6 years defense contract. I asked him once if he thought NK was a threat. His response was they aren't a threat. China is the only country that the US has to worry about. I think he knew a thing or two but that's all I could get out of him other than they are very advanced with their sub technology.
 
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If my understanding is correct, the theater owners were proceeding as planned but were rattled when Sony first floated the idea by telling them it wouldn't protest if they didn't want to show the movie.

That signaled to the theater owners that Sony wasn't standing by its product, and gave the owners an out.

The threat of physical violence in the theaters has at no point been considered credible.

Theatre owners are well aware of threats to their business, and the resulting litigation should there be one of the so called "lone wolf attacks". Besides that, if there were no threat, why would they need an "out"? Fear of selling tickets?
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I've seen that Homeland Security press release too. I don't give it it credibility. When they say they don't perceive a threat, it means they got caught sleeping.
 
What I'm hoping for are some anarchist-libertarian counter-hackers who steal a copy of the movie and dump it onto Youtube and every available Internet portal worldwide. Beat those guys at their own game. Sony surrendered their chance to make money with it when they decided to pull it, so too bad for them. If everybody is watching the movie, no more targets for the "terrorists", if they even exist.
 
Agents work from any country. Doesn't matter if NK has the equipment, it can be done from any place. I bet they have agents working at Sony. I would think lots of Chinese agents work out of the U.S. Hell one of them was a scientist working out of Los Alamos national lab. We should ask the NKs for help getting the IRS emails.
 
Normally this would bother me but with the **** coming out of Hollywood (I've seen the previews) hopefully they will cancel it for good...
 
The way I figure it, TOO BAD FOR SONY!!.

Their Playstation site has been hacked into several times in the last year and they chose to ignore that threat.

It's not like this threat appeared out of the blue.

Hopefully incursions such as this will inspire other companies like American Financial Institutions to start protecting all the consumer info they store on their servers instead of sluffing it off onto their clients.
 
Worst. Possible. Response.

Bad. Precedent.

I work assessing cybersecurity. By far the biggest 'unforced error' of this whole debacle is the focus on the hacked email content and the (pulling of the goofy) movie. The wars of the 21st century won't be fought with the replacement for the M9 (ok, well they will in the Middle East - but only because they don't have fast internet yet). The wars of the future will be, many might argue - ARE, being fought exactly as this Sony hack went down. This one just got more PR because its an entertainment company and heaven forbid anything disrupt our playstations or moviegoing. One could argue that there needs to be much more focus on the basic blocking and tackling of internet security.

Two quick examples:
When was the last time you changed your password? How complex is it?
Look at the internet settings on the computer you're using. Is the network connection using a static WEP key? (those are easily hacked) Or, is it using the dynamic WPA setting? It'll take a few more minutes to set up, but worth the effort.
 
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Theatre owners are well aware of threats to their business, and the resulting litigation should there be one of the so called "lone wolf attacks". Besides that, if there were no threat, why would they need an "out"? Fear of selling tickets?
Fear of not selling tickets.

Theater chains rarely see any meaningful money from tickets sold, and often see none; the bulk of their profits come from concession stand sales.

Film distributors like Sony Pictures are in the power seat, leveraging theater chains to screen movies the chains don't want in order to also screen films likely to get big draws and lead to more popcorn, candy and soda sales.

Early word at Sony was the finished product was weak; between costs to make and market, traditional iffy performance of political satires, the expectation that the movie wouldn't make much money internationally and projections that domestically it would barely break even, and, finally, mixed early reviews, Sony was a bit over a barrel with this one even before the terrorism element emerged.

The real threat was everyone was going to take a bath. If Sony had a product they had financial faith in, they could've shoved it down the theater chains' throats. They didn't, and gave the chains an out based on "threat" but that financially benefitted all.

If all other elements were the same, but this was a Spielberg extravaganza, Sony, the theater chains and all involved would make a "prinicpled" stand against terrorism and let dumptrucks of cash calm their nerves.

I've seen that Homeland Security press release too. I don't give it it credibility. When they say they don't perceive a threat, it means they got caught sleeping.
Like any other agency, DHS gets it right sometimes and gets it wrong others; I'm not so quick to automatically assume that failure to perceive a threat de facto means incompetence on their part.

But I wasn't referencing their assessment; hardcore NK watchers who see NK's fingerprints here largely agree that, like the attack itself, the threat of theater attacks was purely virtual, designed to further intimidate and nothing more. A digital attack of this kind may or may not ultimately provoke U.S. (and other) retaliation (the current administration is clearly floating trial balloons in the media to see if non-retialiation -- apparently preferred by them -- is politically viable), but physical attacks would guarantee significant retaliation of a kind and scale the perpetrators of this cyberattack appear -- based on the limited nature of the attack -- do not want, and NK certainly would not want if they're partly or wholly responsible.
 
But I wasn't referencing their assessment; hardcore NK watchers who see NK's fingerprints here largely agree that, like the attack itself, the threat of theater attacks was purely virtual, designed to further intimidate and nothing more.
I wouldn't bet my life on that.

There's pretty much NOTHING the North Koreans won't do, ESPECIALLY if they think you're a "paper tiger" as they clearly do regarding us.

With their LONG series of terrorist attacks not just in South Korea, but OUTSIDE, I certainly would put nothing past them, again ESPECIALLY if they they think their victim has no 'nads. Any country that would kidnap actresses from Japan for the amusement of the head lunatic and his defective offspring is capable of pretty much anything.

Any time you think of a course of action and say to yourself, "That's crazy!", it's something that one of the Kims has at least given serious consideration.
 
I wouldn't bet my life on that.

There's pretty much NOTHING the North Koreans won't do, ESPECIALLY if they think you're a "paper tiger" as they clearly do regarding us.

With their LONG series of terrorist attacks not just in South Korea, but OUTSIDE, I certainly would put nothing past them, again ESPECIALLY if they they think their victim has no 'nads. Any country that would kidnap actresses from Japan for the amusement of the head lunatic and his defective offspring is capable of pretty much anything.

Any time you think of a course of action and say to yourself, "That's crazy!", it's something that one of the Kims has at least given serious consideration.
Observing NK's behavioral history divorced from all the lunatic propaganda, you see the rational actions and canny calculations of a regime that wants to survive.

Not only do they not think we're a paper tiger, they perceive us as being an existential threat to them, which is why 1) they've successfully pursued a nuclear weapons program, and 2) always pushed just hard enough to get us to engage them without provoking an outright confrontation.
 
Observing NK's behavioral history divorced from all the lunatic propaganda, you see the rational actions and canny calculations of a regime that wants to survive.
The only "lunatic propaganda" is theirs. They've kidnapped people pretty much just because they could. They've got a ways to go in order to be as sane as they appear in "Team America".

The North Korean system is ANTIrational, even in Stalinist terms. Juche and Kim Il Sungism is nothing but a racist cult. I have no more confidence in the judgment of the Kim family than I would in Aum Shin Rikkyo or the People's Temple.

And the truth is they have almost NOTHING to fear from us, at least in the near term, because pretty much ANYTHING they do short of a nuclear attack is going to be met with banal plaititudes and empty threats. And they KNOW it.

Somebody can go into Ford City theaters in Chicago today screaming "Long live Kim Il Sung" and shoot everybody in sight with a Type 68 and it'll be blithely labeled "workplace violence".
 
The only "lunatic propaganda" is theirs. They've kidnapped people pretty much just because they could. They've got a ways to go in order to be as sane as they appear in "Team America".

The North Korean system is ANTIrational, even in Stalinist terms. Juche and Kim Il Sungism is nothing but a racist cult. I have no more confidence in the judgment of the Kim family than I would in Aum Shin Rikkyo or the People's Temple.

And the truth is they have almost NOTHING to fear from us, at least in the near term, because pretty much ANYTHING they do short of a nuclear attack is going to be met with banal plaititudes and empty threats. And they KNOW it...
The lunatic propaganda I am referring to is theirs -- both the image they project domestically and internationally. It has served them well, by the standards of sovereignty, and they continue to use it. "Crazy" keeps citizens in line and enemies at bay. That's rational.

Everything they've done for the last twenty years to effectively manipulate the international community into tolerating NK belligerence and paying them off in the form of food and fuel in response to threats of escalated belligerence can't and doesn't emerge from anti-rational actors. Quite the contrary.

If anything is anti-rational, it is the international community continuing to indulge Pynoyang's thuggish behavior for fear of more thuggish behavior, and repeating the cycle for decades.

Look more closely. They're scum, sure. Bizarre, hermetic and perverse, too. But they aren't crazy, they're unfortunately quite savvy.
 
All this talk about NK. We don't even know for sure where this threat came from. Sony cut it's loses, it could easily be a corporate hoax and a sham. No one wants to go on the record because no one is sure.... except Sony.
 
All this talk about NK. We don't even know for sure where this threat came from. Sony cut it's loses, it could easily be a corporate hoax and a sham. No one wants to go on the record because no one is sure.... except Sony.
Several hours ago the FBI and the White House went on record and made the preliminary case.

Assuredly it's no corporate hoax; the losses and penalties would collapse the company.
 
Have to watch what say so I don't get my patties spanked again?
Should have taken NK out when we were there the first time,,,Sorry Harry didn't trip the trigger on that one way back then ! Didn't need them then and we don't need them now, along with a few other favorite vacation spots on the globe :rolleyes:
As for SOONY,,,spineless corporate slugs for pulling the movie, not that it was an academy award winning picture but,as I said prior I probably would have gone to see it just to thumb my nose. ;)
I believe Theodore Roosevelt termed the phrase about walking softly and carrying a big stick, I really don't believe we've been swinging it hard enough and at the right people to get the job done!
Just my thoughts on this matter, now we will return you to your regularly scheduled programming! ;)
 
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