M855 ammo ban - 236 Representatives challenge ATF

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M855 ammo ban - 236 Representatives challenge ATF



House Letter to the ATF

Hundreds of Congressman Sign Letter Opposing ATF 5.56 M855 Ammo Ban



Look for your reps signature.
If it's not there, light up the phones.



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Best wishes to all who love freedom. It's old yet still applies...

"Fear the Government who fears your guns. I swear a month ago my wife said "Why don't we take the Mini 14 out again like the old days." I said ammo is plentiful and cheap enough so let's do it. NOW THIS ****...
 
Yes, Found Mine Also

I missed it the first time through but did find it on the way back, thought there was going to be reason to make a call, glad he is actually on our team.
 
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I see my rep has his name on the list also. I fear if this ban is actually done by Presidential executive action, for the purpose of backdoor gun control, BATF will be ordered to just ignore this letter, or anything else.

If legislation is passed to countermand this order, or withold BATF funding for leverage, enough democrats will vote against it, so the President can successfully veto it, and wins. So we lose again. I had hoped when the republicans gained control of both houses, things would change. Keystone Pipeline, Obamacare, Immigration reform, EPA stuff, the list goes on. I hope I am wrong on this.
 
I believe the BATF is holding off on this because they know of the amount of backlash that would happen if the ban went through. Its a way of testing the waters to see who is paying attention. I doubt the BATF would like all the public outcry and the lawsuits that would follow.

The non-gun owner knows enough to see through excuses BATF is claiming. They would have to prove: 1. that M855 pistols (size of a violin case) are easily concealable and 2. crimes using M855 pistols against police are common.
 
I wrote four of my state reps and received one reply thus far. Below is a reply from Mr. Cornyn:

Dear Mr. Wells:

Thank you for contacting me regarding recent actions by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (BATFE). I share your concerns and appreciate having the benefit of your comments on these important matters.

As you may know, Congress passed the Law Enforcement Officers Protection Act (LEOPA) in 1986 to protect law enforcement officers from "armor piercing" ammunition, but importantly exempted ammunition "primarily intended for sporting purposes," to account for the fact that sporting rifle ammunition could potentially be fired from handguns. Unfortunately, on February 13, 2015, the BATFE announced it would attempt to ban the manufacture and importation of certain ammunition by changing the way it interprets the LEOPA "sporting purposes" exemption.

I believe the BATFE is abusing its authority by interpreting the meaning of "sporting purposes" under LEOPA in this way, and am sending a letter to BATFE Director Todd Jones in opposition to this proposal.

As a strong proponent of the Second Amendment, I believe it is essential to safeguard law-abiding citizens' constitutional right to own and use firearms for lawful purposes. Restricting this right runs counter to the intent of our Founding Fathers, who expressly guaranteed that citizens would retain the right to keep and bear arms. Furthermore, as a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, which has primary jurisdiction over the BATFE, I will continue working with my colleagues to provide oversight of this agency.

I appreciate the opportunity to represent Texans in the United States Senate, and you may be certain that I will continue working with my colleagues to protect our Second Amendment rights. Thank you for taking the time to contact me.

Sincerely,
JOHN CORNYN
United States Senator


517 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510
Tel: (202) 224-2934
Fax: (202) 228-2856
 
My Senator, "Chad Cochran" also sent me a nice letter. But the BATF has already include the the ban in their new regulation's.

EXCLUSIVE: Common AR-15 Green Tip Ammunition Already Banned in New ATF Regulation Guide - Katie Pavlich

And there current response is "oops printing error" anyone believe it???
From Atf twitter account
ATF HQ @ATFHQ Nothing to analyze here folks, just a publishing mistake. No AP ammo exemptions revoked @NRA @NSSF. See http://ow.ly/K2vj9
 
What really pisses me off is, I was just about to purchase an M&P 15 but now, due to the proposed ban, there's not a single round of 5.56 or .223 to be found anywhere around here.:mad:
 
Just heard that the BATF will not ban M855 ammo. Thanks to the NRA and 236 members of Congress.

NRA gets a lot of credit here:

In an effort to thwart BATFE's attempted action, NRA has worked with U.S. Representative Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.), Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, to draft a letter to BATFE expressing the lawmakers' opposition to the proposed Framework
 
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Well, the fat lady has warbled her tune...

Apparently, the ATF has rescinded its unconstitutional position on M855 "Green-Tip" ammo and our rights are safe, for now. Read the official statement here. https://fu144.infusionsoft.com/app/linkClick/3122/7ca2e9002cb0ad91/877124/ad37e72647296b3a

Basically, I read it like this:

"Since we weren't able to ban the most popular ammunition in the U.S. straight up and transparently, we'll post this fake notice so all you gun-nuts will calm down, wait for the storm to pass and then, we'll use the back door and do it again while you're asleep."

But then again, maybe I'm a little jaded. What do you think?
 
Yeah but what about this?

I came across this yesterday...
So...Right about the same time the BATFE backed off on the M855 issue The USSC did this...

Now I'm no lawyer and despite my LE backround, reading legalese gives me a headache. However from what I gather, In a 9-0 decision the USSC ruled in Perez v. Mortgage Banker's Association that... and this is basically what I get from the ruling... That an agency is not necessarily required to use the notice and comment period per the Administrative Procedures Act(APA) when changing the rules.

I'm not very comfortable with the precedent this sets. I find myself concerned that other agencies will eventually use this ruling in continuing to chip away at the 2A perhaps covertly such that we won't know about it until it is in effect.

Any lawyers about? I'd sure like to hear your thoughts.
Here's a link to the Court's decision:
http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/14pdf/13-1041_0861.pdf

Cheers
Bill
 

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