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Got my new Shield in 9mm
Dec 2014 build date.
I shot it great out of the box.
Added A Talon rubber grip.

Those of you that have put the APEX spring kit in, My question is.
Does it really make A noticeable difference in smoothness?

Or should I just run A good amount of rds thru it to see how the trigger smoothes out?

This is going to be my carry gun once I spend more range time with it.

Thanks
 
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If you shoot it well and it's your carry gun, leave it alone. Shoot a thousand rounds and if the trigger is leaving you wanting more, apex will satisfy your needs.
 
If all you want is to increase smoothness, the Apex striker block is all you need.
The striker block gives you the smooth feeling and does nothing to weight of the trigger pull. The trigger sear reduces the standard trigger pull by a pound or two (I forget the advertised amount).
 
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Congrats on buying one of the best carry pistols ever made.

I agree that all you need is the striker block is all you need. Smooths it up real nice.

BUT at the same time, I don't agree with modifying the trigger system on a carry pistol. S&W made that gun to shoot flawlessly every time. I wouldn't want to mess with that on a gun that might save my life or someone else's life by adding aftermarket parts.

If you were doing some competition with the shield and not going to carry, go right ahead and add something that will make the trigger smoother.

Also, if you did have to defend yourself with that gun, the police WILL confiscate it and they will notice that you modified the trigger system to have a lighter and easier trigger pull. That wouldn't go well in court.


Is it worth it to have a better trigger pull on a carry gun?
Will that bad guy notice a difference in your accuracy?
Will he care that the trigger pull is better?

Anyways. Sorry for ranting.

Just my thoughts on this.

Modify away as you please.
 
Dandecoteau said:
Congrats on buying one of the best carry pistols ever made.



I agree that all you need is the striker block is all you need. Smooths it up real nice.



BUT at the same time, I don't agree with modifying the trigger system on a carry pistol. S&W made that gun to shoot flawlessly every time. I wouldn't want to mess with that on a gun that might save my life or someone else's life by adding aftermarket parts.



If you were doing some competition with the shield and not going to carry, go right ahead and add something that will make the trigger smoother.



Also, if you did have to defend yourself with that gun, the police WILL confiscate it and they will notice that you modified the trigger system to have a lighter and easier trigger pull. That wouldn't go well in court.





Is it worth it to have a better trigger pull on a carry gun?

Will that bad guy notice a difference in your accuracy?

Will he care that the trigger pull is better?



Anyways. Sorry for ranting.



Just my thoughts on this.



Modify away as you please.
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I agree with most of that. But no one has ever showed me a court case where a modified self defense pistol was used against the person defending themselves or others. As far as I know it's never happened. A negligent discharge; that's a different story. Just don't wanna go putting a 2lb hair trigger something you carry.
 
I have the Apex "kit" in my M&P45 carry pistol. It was a noticeable improvement over the factory parts. I'm pretty spoiled from my 1911s, but the Apex parts were still well worth it. As far as concerns over a modified carry gun go, unless your attorney is trying to claim you didn't mean to shoot the dirtbag, I don't feel that it matters what's in the gun. If said dirtbag makes you shoot him, anything and everything you can do to yourself and your equipment to make you perform better is a good thing.

/rant
 
I went through a few thousands rounds in my Shield, and finally putted the Apex parts in. It make the pull slightly lighter, but not to the point where I feel unsafe about it. The pre-travel is still there, which I actually want for my carry pistol.
It wasn't like I wasn't shooting well with the Shield beforehand, but Apex parts makes it even easier.
 
Just put the carry kit in my Shield and it made a good trigger GREAT!!! Don't be scared. Its called a duty/carry kit for a reason. Worth every penny!

NC
 
I agree putting the kit in will make it shoot great.
I'm just against modifying critical parts in a gun that could save my life. It's not worth it to "feel better" when pulling the trigger. If you had to use it in self defense, Would you even notice the trigger being different?

Probably not
 
I traded in a highly modded Ruger LC9 on my Shield. It had the full Galloway kit, RTK adjustable trigger, Mag disconnect removed, etc. It shot great (tho not as nice as my stock Shield). I read Massad Ayoob's piece on the legal ramifications of these mods (especially removing the Mag Saftey) and it scared me a little. It's not the criminal trial that would be problematic (as long as it was a justifiable defensive shooting) but rather the civil trial that will almost certainly follow. It was a good excuse for me to go trade in the LC9. The stock Shield with a thumb safety and no mag disconnect is a far superior gun IMO.
 
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I agree, anything they can go after you with, they will.
It's not worth it!
I could just imagine the questions they would ask if they found my pistol was modified so the trigger can be pulled easier and felt "nicer" when I was putting down a bad guy.
 
Thanks everyone for the thoughts.
After shooting another 200rds thru the Shield. And from replies here. I have come to the conclusion that I really dont need to go the Apex route.

I have though after A lot of reading and discussions, Decided to pull the safety block and just clean it up A bit.

I have cme to the conclusion that the gritty trigger feel is caused by the block itself.
So i will clean it up A bit and be good to go I feel.
 
Wise choice bud.

After you shoot the piss out of your shield, you will love it. It breaks in real nice and the trigger feels almost as good as my lc9s.

It's quite accurate too.

If your looking for something to plink with, 9mm, accurate, great trigger, look into a 5906.

Probably the most accurate pistol I have. Almost as accurate as my M9A1

Best of luck with the shield.
 
Of course, the other side of the coin... If we are really worried about being painted and gun loving vigilantes looking for an excuse to shoot someone, we probably shouldn't be reading all this gun stuff on the inter webs! They will no doubt subpoena your computers and browser history, along with the weapon you used, in any civil trial.
 
Dandecoteau said:
I agree putting the kit in will make it shoot great.
I'm just against modifying critical parts in a gun that could save my life. It's not worth it to "feel better" when pulling the trigger. If you had to use it in self defense, Would you even notice the trigger being different?

Probably not
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Its not about "feeling better" but about being more accurate and confident in your ability. And I guarantee those "critical parts" from APEX are of a much higher quality than the mass produced S&W variety. Yes I trust them with my life. The thousands and thousands of satisfied APEX customers would echo these sentiments.

I'm still waiting for somebody to show me a court case where this was a factor in a legitimate self defense and not a ND.

Crickets.......

But if its not for you and you are happy with the stock trigger, awesome. Keep shooting and enjoy your Shield and this great freedom we have! Peace!

NC
 
NCavi8tor said:
I'm still waiting for somebody to show me a court case where this was a factor in a legitimate self defense and not a ND.

Crickets.......

NC
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You're going to be waiting a LOOOOONG time. I've yet to see or hear of one, even in the most progressive of areas. A justified shooting is a justified shooting, under the law. Unless you are a prohibited person, or the firearm you used to justifiably defend yourself was stolen, NFA, etc., there's nothing to come after you for.

That's CRIMINALY; Civil action is a different story and has little, to nothing, to do with the former. The dirtbag that forced you to shoot him could have just been out of jail (for the 3rd time) and have restraining orders against him from every family member he has, but they'll still line up in front of the news van and drop all the now-famous catch phrases. "He was such a good boy", "He was going to go back to school", "He was just getting his life together". It happens so often, that those phrases are now in the Urban Dictionary, citing these exact instances we're discussing here.

The bottom line is: Dirtbags will be dirtbags. Know and follow the laws in your area. Train religiously with your equipment and always remember Col. Cooper's most important rule of gunfighting: "Stretch the rules. Always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose"
 
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