WHEN YOUR BETTING YOUR LIFE UPON IT

[tobimaru]

The best gun is the gun you have.

One thing I see more than defective guns or gun failures are defective shooters. Myself included.

 

[ATF]

Sounds like you have had your fair share of romantic disappointments but please don't blame them on semi-autos and your possible gambling addiction. Nevermind your dog still loves you

 

[Protected One]

The first time a thief steals is the hardest, the first time a wife or husband cheats is also the hardest but in both situations
each time thereafter become incrementally easier, therefore,
if a semi-auto fails to fire or eject the first time, the odds on it happening again are greatly increased.

In view of the fore mentioned, the odds tell you when it comes to betting your life upon it, carry a REVOLVER!

Billy

Making a conclusion based on a false premise can only lead to a faulty conclusion.

Character flaws of human beings and a mechanical problem of a semi-auto pistol are not comparable. The pistol is easily fixed...human beings - not so.

 

[Voyager28]

Hmmm. I own a ppk and while it is well made, and I have about a thousand rounds through it, it has jammed on occasion. I don't know if yours is a .380 but in .32 ball ammo and only ball ammo, Winchester white 71 grain is pretty much all you can count on. You had me at Model 19.

Mine is a .380, Stainless. Handles Buffalo Bore +P with no problem. About twice a year I check every part for any signs of stress or weakness. So far, not even a scratch.

Bob

 

[eb07]

I prefer revolvers but both of my Glocks have been flawless. I haven't cleaned my G17 on purpose to prove a reliability point going on 5500 rounds and haven't had a single failure.

 

[Old cop]

The only tiny .380 that has been failure free is my M&P purchased in Feb. so I have no problem carrying it from time to time. Normal EDC is either a 442 or M38 flat latch b/c that's my comfort level. My Gen II Glock 23 did fail me at the range. Since it was my duty gun the range officer at my former agency completely rebuilt it from the inside out. He said all the duty guns get close inspection annually since things do wear out. My department has since replaced the Gen II Glock pistols w/Gen III and IV Model 23 & 22.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

I've studied this for many years... countless hours... and have found that the mathematical likelihood of an autoloader failing to cycle properly in the hands of a novice is 642 times greater than with a revolver. With experienced shooters who know their gun, odds are pretty close to even.

 

[Arik]

I've studied this for many years... countless hours... and have found that the mathematical likelihood of an autoloader failing to cycle properly in the hands of a novice is 642 times greater than with a revolver. With experienced shooters who know their gun, odds are pretty close to even.

Are you rounding off or is that the actual figure

 

[Watchdog]

I've studied this for many years...

How many years are "many"?

... countless hours...

That's a lot of hours. I bet Stephen Hawking could tell us how many hours are "countless". Of course, none of us would have a clue as to what he's talkin' about, but still...

...the mathematical likelihood of an autoloader failing to cycle properly in the hands of a novice is 642 times greater than with a revolver.

I came up with 651, but I'm probably using a different formula than you are.


Oh, well, perhaps we can continue the debate another day. It's too pretty a day to be inside pounding on a keyboard...I'm heading out to the shooting range...

 

[Aticus]

Many may say that my lack of confidence in semi-auto
pistols is due to my being of the old school and probably some what goofy, both of those allegations might have value.
However, with the myriad of problems that many semi-autos encounter regularly that causes immediate disablement, what successful gambler that relies upon playing the odds will risk their life on a gun that has experienced a fail to fire in the past?

The first time a thief steals is the hardest, the first time a wife or husband cheats is also the hardest but in both situations
each time thereafter become incrementally easier, therefore,
if a semi-auto fails to fire or eject the first time, the odds on it happening again are greatly increased.

In view of the fore mentioned, the odds tell you when it comes to betting your life upon it, carry a REVOLVER!

Billy

You're kidding with this aren't you? Perhaps you wished to start another wild opinion discussion?

AHA, I HAVE IT! You're a troll. Awright, way to go, you got what you wanted. Really cool!

 

[pharmer]

Tell you what, I have an EDC 6906 that I will bet $100 I can draw and empty the 12 Fed HST's. I'll pay $100 on every failure. Bring lots of money. joe

 

[Fastbolt]

I've had more revolvers "fail" to function/fire normally, and require repair in order to restore normal function, than I've had modern semiauto pistols fail and require repair.

I can understand if some individual finds it comforting to only use their particular experience with some specific firearms as the basis for their opinions ... but I've been around firearms (owner and LE carrier/user), and have served as a firearms instructor and armorer, long enough to have realized that small individual samplings of things may not mean all that much in the bigger picture.

FWIW, as an armorer I've had to make corrections and repairs to a fair number of good quality firearms which experienced some problem or other at some point (even new). After repair the firearms functioned normally, as designed and intended.

I've become quite confident in using a repaired firearm once it demonstrates normal functioning after a correction or repair.

I realize that some folks limit their opinions and feelings of "confidence" to just what they may have personally experienced, so I've become increasingly inclined to try and "repair" the confidence of an issued user or owner of a firearm that has to be carried for personal protection.

While a normal factory recommendation to an armorer may be to test-fire to check for normal function after a repair with just 1-2 magazine loads, or a normal "duty load-out" (meaning the number of magazines normally carried on a gun belt), I try to let the user/owner shoot more than that, ammunition availability permitting.

That's usually after I've already shot the repaired gun, or had another armorer or instructor shoot it, and satisfied myself that it's operating in an optimal manner.

Several years ago I started making sure I reassured issued users of repaired duty weapons that I only returned a repaired gun back to service if it was working such that I was confident and prepared to carry it myself. I've even offered to trade weapons with an occasional issued user, if they thought my weapon was somehow "better" because I was carrying it. (As a matter of fact, I've actually exchanged issued weapons with a couple of guys who wanted whatever I was carrying at the time, and handled the issued/inventory paperwork, arranged for qualification, etc. )

 

[kozmic]

Yeah, not for nuthin', but then why do most (if not all) LE agencies in America carry semi-autos as their duty carry pieces?

I'm a revolver fan and often carry a J frame, but I have many bottom feeders with well over a thousand rounds with no issues. I don't feel like the "next round my be the one". All due respect to the o p, but that's just ridiculous!

 

[John R]

When SHTF, any gun I have in my possession will become my favorite.

 

[ISCS Yoda]

Uh, it's you're not your.

Your = Belongs to you. "It's your right to start a pointless and divisive thread."
You're = You are. "You're certain of you opinion?"
Yore = A time long past. "In the days of yore people needed six chambers to do the job of one."

If you're happy with your boat anchor, invented in the days of yore, I'm happy for you.

FUNNY!!!!!!!!! Love grammar lessons amongst friends.

That said, I carry a revolver every day. Sometimes I carry two. 5 shot J-frames.

But when I go somewhere that I think could be a trouble spot, I don't mean some bad place but some target place, like a mall, or church or synagogue, I consider switching to a high capacity 9mm. I don't worry about failure. If I don't fail my guns don't fail. I don't carry cheap guns and if it's a S&W, or a Beretta, or a Browning, or a SIG, well, I'll bet my life on it.

 

[Muss Muggins]

Uh, it's you're not your.

Your = Belongs to you. "It's your right to start a pointless and divisive thread."
You're = You are. "You're certain of you opinion?"
Yore = A time long past. "In the days of yore people needed six chambers to do the job of one."

If you're happy with your boat anchor, invented in the days of yore, I'm happy for you.

Thanks for that. It actually took a little longer than I thought for somebody to point it out, but this forum has way fewer tools than most, so I shouldn't be surprised it took a while. Completely unnecessary post, by the way.

I rotate back and forth between revolver and semi. My nightstand gun is a revolver, several of my EDC guns are semi's, I won't keep a gun that I don't think will fire, so the reliability thing is not my circus, not my monkeys.

 

[Wyo]

I have had two guns that would not fire when removed factory fresh from their shipping boxes. Both were Colts. One was a Detective Special (revolver) and the other was a Series 80 Government Model (semi auto). I would conclude, therefore, that BOTH types of handgun are inherently unreliable and that I should carry a knife instead. After all, it never runs empty and a good one will work every time. All that old stuff about bringing a knife to a gunfight is just a bunch of hooey anyway!

 

[BigBill]

I trust my life on my project norinco 1911a1 in 45acp that I built. I would Walk were the devil lives and fear no evil. I would trust any revolver or pistol if I couldn't trust them with my life why would I own them.

 

[Watchdog]

Yore = A time long past. "In the days of yore people needed six chambers to do the job of one."

Well, down here in the South, "yore" is also a common and often used form of possessive pronoun.

Example: "Is that yore dawg?"

 

[MJB]

I carry an LCP, LCR or G26. They have ALL been 100% reliable. The G26 has the edge for power, capacity and in my hands, accuracy.

It gets the most carry time.

I got rid of my Springfield Mil Spec 1911 because I could not get 100 rounds through it without a stovepipe.

My Home Defense gun is my 686.