Why does my nice new 1911 arouse such internet ire??

I always thought it was kind of funny about people complaining about how much better a forged part is and then buy a ticket to fly somewhere on an airplane that probably has as many cast parts on it as there is forged parts in very critical areas.
 
steveno said:
I always thought it was kind of funny about people complaining about how much better a forged part is and then buy a ticket to fly somewhere on an airplane that probably has as many cast parts on it as there is forged parts in very critical areas.
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It may be funny but ALL airplanes are built to one standard. Not so with guns otherwise a Tisas would be equal to a Baer, Nighthawk or WC. There are no "economy" versions of airplanes as far as raw materials and manufacturing goes. No one makes a Taurus or Jimenez version of an airplane
 
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WC145 said:
FYI - The Remington-Rand company that made 1911s for the US Government during WWII and the Remington Arms Company are/were NOT the same outfit.

Remington-Rand was a business machine manufacturer known for it's typewriters. It had nothing to do with Remington Arms except for sharing a surname thanks to Remington Arms creating the Remington Typewriter Company in the 1800s. Remington Typewriter was sold in 1886 making it a completely separate and independent entity which later merged with the Rand Kardex Corp to form Remington-Rand in the 1920s. Remington-Rand never had anything to do with Remington Arms.

Until it introduced the R1, Remington Arms had never produced a 1911 pistol.
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Remington Arms produced roughly 21K 1911s towards the end of WWI.

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http://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2011/1/13/the-remington-r1-m1911/
 
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Had an ria 1911 just to see whats up with 1911's . It function fine , no issues with any factory or handload tried . 3.5lb trigger tuned at home and it was accurate . Just found out I have no use for a 40oz empty 1911 in general and traded it toward a carry pistol . Received a R1 from remmy as a pay off for the junk r51 and traded it unfired .

I have better range guns and that's what a full size all steel 1911 is for me . Might keep a LW 38super commander if I find one .
 
Nice gun sigp220.45, nice price too. Hope you get many years of enjoyment shooting the R1.
Some people must not know a bargain when they see it.
 
Rick_A said:
It's the internet. According to the interwebs the only perfect pistol is a Glock 19...
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Isn't that the truth? :D

I like your R1. The spur hammer would bite me but if it works for you, you're well on your way. I'd turn my attention to getting a really nice trigger pull and forget reading much about what others think of the gun, where it might be made, or the never-ending cast vs forged debate. :)
 
I have handled some of the Remington 1911s, but not shot them. I thought they looked well made to me. The way to know if you got a good semi-auto is to fire it. And keep firing it, and keep firing it. Have fun along the way! :-)

I have to disagree with the gentleman who said there is no way to make a bad 1911. On the contrary, it is apparently pretty easy to foul up a proven design.

I sold a Gold Cup and bought a Kimber top-line stainless Gold Match a few years after they came out. It would work 9 round out of 10. Failure to feed. Bought Wilson 47Ds. Nothing would change that FTF. AND, Kimber (in my multiple experiences), has the WORST customer service of any gun maker. Just nasty. They never did get the gun to work, and shipping was on my dime. Had regional 1911 experts go over it. They couldn't solve it. The guess is that the breechface was incorrectly machined. I finally sold it to a home gunsmith who was sure he could make it work. Good luck.

My Dad had a budget priced Taurus 1911 stainless. It would shoot groups....around 12" offhand at 25 yards on the same day we'd shoot 2"-3" groups with other handguns. Never could get hold of Taurus for a repair. Maybe their 1911s are only for folks who shoot at 5 yards?
Hard to say.

Any company can make a bad product, it's how the CUSTOMER SERVICE DEPARTMENT treats you that counts. S&W? I love them! :-) They have gone out of their way to make me happy in the past, and are usually a riot to talk with if you show some humor. In particular I remember Lenny and Frank, both of whom were awesome.

Springfield, Ruger and Colt (thanks Brent!) all have excellent customer service as well. I would recommend them to anyone.

Remington? I have no idea. I have never owned a Remington that ever needed work! :-)

Now get off your computer and go burn some ammo Sir! Be safe out there. Best wishes, Marc
 
The bottom line is a well made part is a well made part regardless of the way it got there.

The high end 1911's get the best parts available and meticulous hand fitting and blending on nearly every component. That doesn't make them infallible. In fact there a surprising number of posts that can be found online of various failures on $2000+ guns. Unless proactive, every gun will eventually succumb to high mileage failures. The high end guns will typically be bullseye accurate to 50 yards, the standard guns combat accurate to 25.

This is the reality that applies to all 1911's:
Reliability, Round Counts, and Longevity in 1911s

The only frames that regularly die early are alloy and surplus. If you can afford the ammo to get there it's of little consequence in the long run.

Folks love to knock stuff that's on the lower end of the scale regardless of how it works. My own 1911 is self built with a mix of the best parts I could afford. It looks like $300 but shoots like $3000 and that's all that matters.
 
I' ve encountered the same thing regarding my Kimbers, Colts, Rugers, Smith and Wessons and others...So far as cast vs forged frame, my forty year old Ruger Security Six has had many rounds through it and it is as solid and tight as when I bought it and the frame is cast. My S&W M19 is nearly as old with many fewer magnum loads through it and its still tight. My 1968 vintage M28 has had a steady diet of heavy magnums through it...Still tight. My M29-2 needed a rebuild after a few hundred magnums but my Redhawk has had many fierce magnums through it...Still tight as new...So, what is better, forged or cast?...I think the design and manufacturing process makes more difference. I haven't encountered any problems with MIM parts either. If YOU are satisfied with it, who cares what others think of it. Opinions are like...Well, you know the rest.
 
steveno said:
I always thought it was kind of funny about people complaining about how much better a forged part is and then buy a ticket to fly somewhere on an airplane that probably has as many cast parts on it as there is forged parts in very critical areas.
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This recalls the long-festering debate in the automotive world over forged vs. cast piston return springs.
 
You will hear stories from Internet Gun Snobs all the time telling you that your gun is inferior to their's. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the Remington R1 1911. I personally own a pair of them. The only thing that mine needed was a small amount of Trigger tweaking to make an accurate reliable Pistol. Never had a malfunction on either one. These guns shoot as well as a Colt, at half the price. Just remember one thing. All Ruger Steel firearms are Cast and nobody complains about that. In fact since the lockup of a 1911 occurs between the barrel locking lugs and the Slide, the frame has little to do but hold the parts together. That is why some 1911 frames are made of Aluminum. Enjoy your R1.

 
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I bought an R1 when they first came out, but I didn't keep it...I decided that I wanted to "thin the herd" down to guns that met these criteria (and these are only MY criteria...I'm not saying they are for anyone else):

1. Lifetime warranty, with free shipping
2. Good customer service
3. Specific to 1911s, Series 70 (i.e. no FPS)

Of course, I also want guns that are reliable and accurate. I haven't checked out Remington in a while, but at the time, several years ago, it didn't make the cut with regard to #s 1 and 3. As for the frame being cast, that doesn't bother me one bit...one of my favorite 1911s, the Ruger SR1911, is cast.
 
WC145 said:
FYI - The Remington-Rand company that made 1911s for the US Government during WWII and the Remington Arms Company are/were NOT the same outfit.

Remington-Rand was a business machine manufacturer known for it's typewriters. It had nothing to do with Remington Arms except for sharing a surname thanks to Remington Arms creating the Remington Typewriter Company in the 1800s. Remington Typewriter was sold in 1886 making it a completely separate and independent entity which later merged with the Rand Kardex Corp to form Remington-Rand in the 1920s. Remington-Rand never had anything to do with Remington Arms.

Until it introduced the R1, Remington Arms had never produced a 1911 pistol.
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I have no idea where you got your information but Remington UMC Arms Co. was one of four companies who produced 1911 pistols during WWI. Colt, Remington Rand, Singer Sewing Machine, Ithaca, and Union Switch produced 1911 pistols during WWII. (Google is your friend)
 
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I have the same base model R1 as the OP, I am very happy with it. To me, it is a basic GI style 1911 with some minor improvements. But still has the look of a GI gun.

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