Why does my nice new 1911 arouse such internet ire??

Congrats on your buy. It's a 1911 what's to say bad about it. To me if it shoots right out of the box, it's fairly accurate you got a good 1911. I seen good and bad 1911 at higher prices too.



I been wanting well a few more one in Stainless loaded (Thompson custom) a Cimirron nickel 1911.
The RIA for a ccw in nickel too.
 
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It's the internet. According to the interwebs the only perfect pistol is a Glock 19.

I like the Remington R1. Out of the mil spec style guns theirs is likely among the best and certainly a good buy.

There is a lot of anti 1911 sentiment out there in general as many trainers and instructors are calling the 1911 out as unsuitable for defense and only good for range use while pimping their preferred polymer pistol plus line of parts and accessories for said pistol.

Cast or forged doesn't matter any more than forged vs MIM. If it's made properly with good QC it's of no consequence. There are some castings stronger than forgings in the firearms industry, but it doesn't sound as fancy.
 
Arik said:
Yes it does matter if it's cast or forged but it also matters how much you shoot and the quality of the cast. Forged does tend to be better, and last longer.
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Lasts longer? I wonder how much longer. Perhaps you should call Ruger and share your wisdom with them. Their cast revolver frames have a reputation for being pretty darn strong but, they may not be shot very much. :p Please post a photo of any damaged Remington if you know of any.
 
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Ok cast is stronger you win! Someone should tell WC. They could sell more guns cheaper
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The Browning Hi Powers starting with the 40 S&W used a stronger cast frame over the previous forged.

My current 1911 frame is a Caspian with a cast in plunger tube (a common failure point) and a reinforced grip frame. Sure it was cheap but they have an excellent reputation.

I'm sure WC isn't interested in devaluing their entire line for the sake of volume. That's just silly, but cast doesn't always mean inferior.
 
There is a reason why EVERYONE makes a 1911 today. The design is classic, proven and reliable. Some companies have changed features here and there ( external extractor,beavertails etc.) to give a few features to the masses. But all in all, most of them are good guns. And very few need to be tuned like the 1911's of old...
 
Weak castings?

Castings have been around long enough and I or a gunsmith that's a close friend have ever seen a failure. Wr would probably be shocked at how many small parts are cast and then milled!

I have looked over several Remington 1911's and they all seem sound. Yours looks fine to me and at that price you can hardly go wrong. Myself I tend to shy away from the Mil Spec 1911's because I end up changing out the grip safety and hammer. Then maybe the trigger and the barrel bushing and then! Well you get the point.

My current 1911 started out life as a Colt Series 70. It shoots great and I love it. I'll have that old gal until they box me.

Enjoy your Remington and I bet she shoots just fine!
 
I don't know where you're finding all this unmitigated hate at. Yeah, I've seen some questions and of course there will always be those who insist that anything other than what they have is junk. :rolleyes: But overall the R1 has been getting great reviews. Its an excellent pistol. Right now I truly believe its one of the best bang for your buck 1911s out there.
I love mine! :D
 
I had a carry version and it was a good shooting gun. Well built and never missed a lick. Traded it for a couple of Smith and Wesson revolvers I had been eyeballing for awhile. Didn't trade because I didn't like the Remington, just liked the Smiths more, lol.
 
Rugers and Remington's....If I were in the market, I would buy one of each. Both seem like a good buy for the money, both get panned for not being something people want them to be.

No matter what you buy, somebody will brag they bought something better.

Oh, and good job on your pedestrian photography, nice pics of a nice gun.
 
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I tend to like and buy Colts specifically because they are one of the few manufacturers that still use forged frames.

I will state the FACT that forgings cost considerably more than castings. That is not arguable.
That is the reason why the R1 can cost less.
Yes, cast frames if done right work ok, but going cast for all the manufacturers who did so was to cut costs and/or increase profit.

Just don't anyone believe that their cast frame pistol is "equal" to a forged frame pistol.
Again, there is a real reason for the lesser expensive price, and over time, forged frames WILL hold up better than cast frames which is something to keep in mind considering that the 1911 slide runs in direct metal-to-metal contact in the milled grooves of the frame.

Post #9 on this page I think states the case well.
http://pistolsmith.com/pistolsmiths/1550-cast-vs-barstock-frames.html
 
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Remington 1911s are not "entry level" guns. Remington made thousands of these for the government during the world wars so it isn't something new. All the Remingtons are made in Illion, NY and are fitted to very tight tolerances. Just try to make one rattle or take one down without a bushing wrench if you have doubts. I purchased the "Enhanced" version some time ago and it performs better than my Colt ever did. Like many other 1911s of today, the frame is a cast part while the slides are milled. Only the Remington "Carry" versions have milled frames. However, modern castings are excellent today and you will be hard pressed to find anyone who has seen one fail. Sigp220.45 has a fine and well built G.I. versions with a few enhanced features that he should be very proud of. Know that most of those that question the quality have never owned or much less shot a Remington 1911 so, take their comments with a grain of salt.
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FYI - The Remington-Rand company that made 1911s for the US Government during WWII and the Remington Arms Company are/were NOT the same outfit.

Remington-Rand was a business machine manufacturer known for it's typewriters. It had nothing to do with Remington Arms except for sharing a surname thanks to Remington Arms creating the Remington Typewriter Company in the 1800s. Remington Typewriter was sold in 1886 making it a completely separate and independent entity which later merged with the Rand Kardex Corp to form Remington-Rand in the 1920s. Remington-Rand never had anything to do with Remington Arms.

Until it introduced the R1, Remington Arms had never produced a 1911 pistol.
 
Looks like a decent pistol,,I have to admit I've never looked one over. I just don't follow the newer stuff.
My 2 1911s are mid 60's stock 1911A1 pistols.I just like them that way. No frills or add ons. This Remington looks pretty close to that.

As to the investment cast vs the forged piece,,,given a quality investment casting and then followed up with precision machining and heat treatment,,the part will outlive most any firearms application we here would ever give them.
Poor quality investments and hardening is a given the part will fail early. It is very, very expensive to have the initial moulds made for the parts to cast the wax masters. So much so that some production is less costly now being done by EDM & CNC from billet steel and end up with a part ready for fitting and or heat treatment.

Forging does add grain structure strength that investment casting does not. But these are hand held sporting firearms,,not the rear end gear drives of quarry trucks.

Investment cast parts are easy to ID by carefull inspection on the inside surfaces. There, the 'as cast' surface will be present in some areas no matter how little as machining them to clean them up isn't worth the time and money. That's part of the savings idea anyway.
Some are more easily seen than others. Some are apparent on the outside surfaces, and some even have tiny voids in the castings.
Not all investment castings are equal.
Ruger couldn't find a decent investment casting outfit to do theirs early on so he started his own (Pine Tree Castings).
 
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Yes it does matter if it's cast or forged but it also matters how much you shoot and the quality of the cast. Forged does tend to be better, and last longer.
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Bare in mind that nealy every Ruger's receiver that was ever made , (except for the original type .22 auto pistol ,) is & wax always cast.. rifle, shotgun, revolver both SA & DA, or semi auto pistol..the .22 auto pistol has a metal tube for a receiver that is lightly milled..........

SA Inc, has used cast receivers on their M1A's for years, with problems developing on dern few... we only get/use USGI surplus Garand receivers because they cost the same as theirs and hold their value better.. I grant there are a slew of poorly made cast Garand receivers that should never be used.....

So the ability of firearms company to build good quality cast receivers has been solved...if it is a company that is dedicated to putting out a quality product...
 
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