EDC Ammo?
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buzzard767
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You aren't that tricky. The FBI knows what they're doing with their standards. And what does Dr. Roberts, testing a completely different bullet, have to do with the Lehigh design? Every once in awhile new versions of weapons come along and change the game. August 6, 1945 comes to mind. So does the PolyCase 74 grain 9mm ARX. Start about 10:00 in for 9mm comments.....
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7_C6kNfjiA[/ame]
Time will tell....
smokindog
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Is this where I come to tell you what color press to buy? 
buzzard767
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The "AND expansion" part. Yeah, I get it. Until recently I used Fed Premium 147g HST XTP in both my carry and house 9's, and 90g Fed Prem Hydra Shok in my 380. Not any more. Even if I'm wrong the ammo I'm using now will be quite effective. It's new tech and I'll keep an open mind. Before long the redneck testers will be shooting pigs and we'll all learn a lot more about whether or not expansion is still a required parameter.
The "AND expansion" part. Yeah, I get it. Until recently I used Fed Premium 147g HST XTP in both my carry and house 9's, and 90g Fed Prem Hydra Shok in my 380. Not any more. Even if I'm wrong the ammo I'm using now will be quite effective. It's new tech and I'll keep an open mind. Before long the redneck testers will be shooting pigs and we'll all learn a lot more about whether or not expansion is still a required parameter.
The part you missed is that I never advocated head shots only. I also mentioned the central nervous system.
The "AND expansion" part. Yeah, I get it. Until recently I used Fed Premium 147g HST XTP in both my carry and house 9's, and 90g Fed Prem Hydra Shok in my 380. Not any more. Even if I'm wrong the ammo I'm using now will be quite effective. It's new tech and I'll keep an open mind. Before long the redneck testers will be shooting pigs and we'll all learn a lot more about whether or not expansion is still a required parameter.
And what is a "HST XTP" ? I think you got Federal and Hornady mixed up.
I am pasting a quote from another thread. This represents my own experience with Speer Gold Dot 357 mag 135gr Gold Dot short barrel ammo. Not to say that other brands and projectile weights might not do as well, but the following experience has led me to continue to carry this particular load when I carry one of my light weight 357
"I have the M&P 340, which weighs about two ounces more than the 340PD. I have shot it quite a bit. I currently carry 135 gr. Speer Gold Dot short barrel.357 magnum rounds in it. I have shot the 158 gr full house loads in it, and they are brutal. Mostly practice with 38 +p handloads (my own), loaded into .357 cases. The Speer loads are pricy, at well over a dollar a round, but you won't be shooting many of them, and they are about the best compromise between managble recoil and minimal muzzle flare that you are going to find. I had the opportunity to field test this combination when I first started carrying this revolver. A hunter had wounded a deer on my property (hunting there with my permission), and just as I had returned home, I was getting out of my vehicle, when the badly wounded deer came into view, quartering right in front of me. My guest yelled at me to finish it off if I could, as he was not in a position to fire because of farm buildings. I shot the deer with the little M&P 340, and the Speer 135 gr gold dot load. It stopped the deer, and when my friend dressed it out I was able to recover the spent rounds (2). They had penetrated about 15 inches, and had expanded perfectly, like something fired into ballistic gelatin. They had also both maintained almost all of their original 135 gr weight. I believe that they weighed in at less than a grain less than the original 135. This was phenomenal performance, and I have carried this firearm with great confidence since. By the way, I did not even notice the recoil when I shot that deer, and I'm sure that you would not notice recoil if you were using the firearm in a defensive situation. I have many carry options, as I am a collector, but if I were to only have one gun for carry, this would be an almost ideal mix of weight, caliber, power, accuracy and reliability. I have thought about getting the one that you mentioned, just to add to my collection, but you won't go wrong with either the M&P or the PD in the 340."
I now have a 340PD, and carry the same load in it. Just an afterthought, but as others have pointed out, shot placement is the most important factor, so extensive practice with whatever you carry is a must. As I noted above, I have developed a handloads that replicates the recoil and point of impact of my carry load, and using this in practice reduces costs dramaticly, especially with as costly a round as this.
"I have the M&P 340, which weighs about two ounces more than the 340PD. I have shot it quite a bit. I currently carry 135 gr. Speer Gold Dot short barrel.357 magnum rounds in it. I have shot the 158 gr full house loads in it, and they are brutal. Mostly practice with 38 +p handloads (my own), loaded into .357 cases. The Speer loads are pricy, at well over a dollar a round, but you won't be shooting many of them, and they are about the best compromise between managble recoil and minimal muzzle flare that you are going to find. I had the opportunity to field test this combination when I first started carrying this revolver. A hunter had wounded a deer on my property (hunting there with my permission), and just as I had returned home, I was getting out of my vehicle, when the badly wounded deer came into view, quartering right in front of me. My guest yelled at me to finish it off if I could, as he was not in a position to fire because of farm buildings. I shot the deer with the little M&P 340, and the Speer 135 gr gold dot load. It stopped the deer, and when my friend dressed it out I was able to recover the spent rounds (2). They had penetrated about 15 inches, and had expanded perfectly, like something fired into ballistic gelatin. They had also both maintained almost all of their original 135 gr weight. I believe that they weighed in at less than a grain less than the original 135. This was phenomenal performance, and I have carried this firearm with great confidence since. By the way, I did not even notice the recoil when I shot that deer, and I'm sure that you would not notice recoil if you were using the firearm in a defensive situation. I have many carry options, as I am a collector, but if I were to only have one gun for carry, this would be an almost ideal mix of weight, caliber, power, accuracy and reliability. I have thought about getting the one that you mentioned, just to add to my collection, but you won't go wrong with either the M&P or the PD in the 340."
I now have a 340PD, and carry the same load in it. Just an afterthought, but as others have pointed out, shot placement is the most important factor, so extensive practice with whatever you carry is a must. As I noted above, I have developed a handloads that replicates the recoil and point of impact of my carry load, and using this in practice reduces costs dramaticly, especially with as costly a round as this.
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buzzard767
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The part you missed is that I never advocated head shots only. I also mentioned the central nervous system.
"The nervous system comprises the central nervous system, consisting of the brain and spinal cord, and the peripheral nervous system, consisting of the cranial, spinal, and peripheral nerves, together with their motor and sensory endings."
If you hit the CNS a .22 will be quite effective. Now, how do you hit it? There isn't much to shoot at, and real targets move.
"The nervous system comprises the central nervous system, consisting of the brain and spinal cord, and the peripheral nervous system, consisting of the cranial, spinal, and peripheral nerves, together with their motor and sensory endings."
If you hit the CNS a .22 will be quite effective. Now, how do you hit it? There isn't much to shoot at, and real targets move.
The "Golden Triangle".
buzzard767
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Yep, I believe you're correct. It must only be the smaller companies that load with Hornady XTPs. Here's one, a page full.
buzzard767
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The "Golden Triangle".
My training says aim for the golden basketball. lol
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I wasn't trying to be tricky.
FBI standards call for at least 50% expansion. You are advocating both the FBI standards and a loading that does not meet those standards.
The Lehigh, Devel, and ARX are substantially similar designs. I'm not sure how nuclear weapons are related to conventional pistol bullet designs.
What was the purpose of including the Polycase review video?
Whats' all this talk about Lehigh?
How about the RIP ammo? Just the name strikes fear in the minds of bad guys!!
Now there is a magic bullet if I ever saw one!!
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How about the RIP ammo? Just the name strikes fear in the minds of bad guys!!
Now there is a magic bullet if I ever saw one!!
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