Gun Owners Standing Up To Reduce Gun Deaths

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The FFL thread has gotten me thinking. I'll assert my theory and then I'll elaborate: I think we gun owners better start doing SOMETHING to show we're concerned about gun deaths in this country. If we don't, then in an effort to protect something (our gun rights), we're going to end up losing them.

I think there are basically 4 reasons why most of us here advocate for, own and use guns:
1. Protection of ourselves, our families and our property - both on our own premises as well as when we're out in public.
2. To have a tool to use against the government and to remind the government that "the people have the power" - both physically and in the voting booth.
3. Outdoorsmanship/Sport/Hunting
4. General Marksmanship/Competition/Fun.

About 30,000 people die each year in this country as a result of a gun. The three categories of death are: (These are ranked from largest segment to smallest segment.)
A. Suicide
B. Homicide (An extremely small subset of this category is "mass shootings".)
C. Accidents

By far the large majority of gun deaths in this country do not fall into the intended uses 1-4 above. I would hope that we as gun owners would take the position that we don't want to have guns be a component in 18,000 suicides each year. (I didn't say guns were the cause - but they're involved.) I would hope that us gun owners don't want to have so many homicides taking place.

Reducing gun deaths is the right thing to do. The moral thing to do. If we don't make this clear are we any different than mainstream Muslims who don't speak out against Muslim extremism? Are we any different from mainstream Christians who don't speak out against Christian extremism? I think we need to be a voice to curb gun deaths as well.

I don't know precisely how we do this. I am of the belief that how issues like this get improved is by helping change the culture. We all know new gun laws aren't going to change things. DUI laws were enacted - but it wasn't until there was a culture/societal pressure on the topic and it was socially unacceptable did things improve. Same with smoking. I think that will be the ultimate resolution to texting while driving: It will become more and more socially unacceptable. That's what will move the needle - not a texting-while-driving law.

We, as gun experts, need to be a force to raise awareness as to what responsible gun ownership is. Maybe we can help raise awareness of getting guns away from family members who are depressed, as an example.

I'm reminded of a lyric in the song "Hang On Loosely" (ironically by the band .38 Special): "Hang on loosely but don't let go. If you cling too tightly you're going to lose control." I do NOT say this in the spirit of "Give them some ground so they'll be quiet." I mean it as we need to look for resolutions as well.

It disturbs me greatly when a device that brings me so much pleasure in my life (it gets me outdoors, it is interesting and it provides me personal satisfaction when I shoot well) can be part of events that bring so much tragedy to people. IMHO if we don't start doing something we're going to lose.....big time.

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Just wait till someone in YOUR family (ex wife, ex stepson, step cousin, and who even claims any family tie) reports you and you'll be reminded of a different tune. "Their coming to take me away ha ha, their coming to take my guns away ho ho ha ha he he to the federal farm where life is wonderful all the time.................. Then tell me where I'm wrong about your solution.
 
Do you like song lyrics? I am thinking of Creedence Clearwater Revival's "Fortunate Son": "When I ask them how much should I give? The only answer is more, more, more." The anti-gun lobby (yes, they are a lobby) is not interested in anything except confiscation of all firearms. Don't fool yourself, they have just one agenda and it is not stopping violence.
 
I specifically said I did not intend my points to mean we should give in some to get them ("gun grabbers") to back off.

What if there was a grass roots group of gun owners that initiated an educational campaign about the dangers of depression and access to guns? I'm not talking laws. I'm talking gun owners being a visible org that advocates about the issues that can arise when guns are accessible when someone is depressed. Could this cause someone who is depressed to voluntarily let their guns be stored someplace else while they're getting things under control? It's not forced - it's voluntary. And they're more aware of it because gun owners brought the connection to light.

I have a very close friend who was going through some very difficult times. He asked his family to take his gun access away from him - because he was scared. He got things under control and I have shot with him since that occurred.

We can be compassionate and helpful without passing laws or giving into the gun grabbers.

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My Brother- in- Law is in a Wheel Chair,He was attacked on His Birthday in His Driveway when coming Home from Work,Three thugs had mistaken Him for a Police informant and shoved a Knife into His Neck severing His Spinal Cord.
All this because He could not have a Firearm to protect Himself due to the Law at that time.
There have been times when I was glad I had My weapon on Me also So instead of more Gun control how about more Criminal control.
 
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Now you're using "their" language. :mad:

"The gun" didn't result in anything. Human actions result in deaths.
Guns are not responsible.

OK: Me using the phrase "...as a result of a gun." was a poor writing choice. I obviously know the gun didn't cause the death.

30,000 die by someone using a gun.
 
You think people only snuff themselves with firearms? Better ban those dangerous bridges (over 3 feet high, we are reasonable), rope, razor blades, duct tape, sleeping pills, etc..etc...
 
You are buying into the anti's thought process that " gun murders"and" gun suicides" are somehow different or a worse way to die than suicide or murder by some other means.

Suicide is it's own completely separate issue.
Suicide shouldn't even be mentioned in reference to gun violence , it's used as a underhanded way to artificially inflate the numbers...don't legitimize their sleazy methods
 
I think that the premise of the OP was to consider possible ways to change the culture that surrounds gun-related violence rather than to ignore it. It happens.

Hollywood's worst hypocrites continue to churn out movies and TV programs that glamorize firearms then they get up on their hind legs and advocate "gun control"; they make me sick (I'm specifically thinking of Tarantino here). Video games; it's the same. It's way past time to call them out on their hypocrisy. -S2
 
I'm listening to the same old nonsense on TV right now. Guns killed a little boy...guns killed a lot of people in San Bernardino....guns did this, guns did that...."I taught Constitutional Law" (a dubious claim by the fellow talking on TV)....
"A majority of gun owners agree" and "Most NRA members support background checks." And all other such fluff. Of course most gun owners are against murder. Of course most NRA members are against sales of firearms to felons.
Obama has lied about internet sales and purchases, and the only thing that will come of it is more young and/or ignorant citizens will use the tainted language, and believe the false "statistics". "One study found...." is a great line the fellow speaking on TV likes to use.

The use of violent death as a punch line for his comedy act is deplorable, but the applause of his followers and the willing acquiescence of an delusional citizenry show it to be effective.
 
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Anti Dui laws are a bad example. They spawned police check points and other severe erosions of civil liberties.

From Libertarian perspective, suicide is also a fundamental right. I consider suicide to be a perfectly acceptable use of firearms. They are effective, as such goes, and relatively quick and painless. We have too many do gooders in this country that would prefer the old and infirm be warehoused in their own filth so as to profit drug companies etc instead of letting people punch their own tickets. I support an individual right to choose how to end their own life as they see fit.

The other problem with messing around with guns and "depression" is that everyone and anyone can be diagnosed as depressed or mentally ill in some way. The distinction of what constitutes a mental illness also changes to suit societal tastes.
 
You are buying into the anti's thought process that " gun murders"and" gun suicides" are somehow different or a worse way to die than suicide or murder by some other means.

Suicide is it's own completely separate issue.
Suicide shouldn't even be mentioned in reference to gun violence , it's used as a underhanded way to artificially inflate the numbers...don't legitimize their sleazy methods

Absolutely correct.

There lies the great hypocrisy. This same group of anti gun talkers will support the right to end life for convenience.
 
Almost everyone is thinking I'm saying enact laws. Show me one place in any of my posts in this thread that shows that is what I'm advocating. I'm not saying we need new laws or bans or regulations or anything of the sort. Those responding in that vein are fundamentally not reading what I'm writing.

I don't want to LEGISLATE keeping guns away from mentally-struggling people. The kind of idea I'm throwing out there is making it easy for someone in that situation to voluntarily pull themselves away from it - temporarily. It's like someone with a drinking problem getting the alcohol out of the house - for a time while they sort things out.

The Libertarian argument is a good one. If someone wants to kill themselves that is their right.

In none of my posts am I advocating taking away anyone's rights or imposing any new laws or banning anything.
 
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Sing me a song about me not understanding your anti gun views, otisrush. How about, I love you, you love me, we're a happy family. And when someone in your "extended family" turn's you in on a whim while home on college break after intense anti gun lectures from professors what will the tune be then? Elvis Presley's "Jail House Rock?"
 
Apart from certain rap "artists" and the Vice-President of the United States, I'm not seeing a lot of people advocating for the IMPROPER user of firearms.

Everybody on the pro-gun side seems to be advocating that people:
  • obey the law.
  • use sound judgment.
  • where applicable, obtain competent training.

On the OTHER side, I see people:
  • calling for wholesale violations of the 1st, 2nd, 4th, and 5th Amendments.
  • calling for harassment of gun owners, including illegal "SWATTING".
  • calling for violence, up to and including the murder of lawful gun owners.

Who has the REAL problem that needs to be dealt with?
 
I'm listening to the same old nonsense on TV right now. Guns killed a little boy...guns killed a lot of people in San Bernardino....guns did this, guns did that...."I taught Constitutional Law" (a dubious claim by the fellow talking on TV)....
"A majority of gun owners agree" and "Most NRA members support background checks." And all other such fluff. Of course most gun owners are against murder. Of course most NRA members are against sales of firearms to felons.
Obama has lied about internet sales and purchases, and the only thing that will come of it is more young and/or ignorant citizens will use the tainted language, and believe the false "statistics". "One study found...." is a great line the fellow speaking on TV likes to use.

The use of violent death as a punch line for his comedy act is deplorable, but the applause of his followers and the willing acquiescence of an delusional citizenry show it to be effective.


The tears really clinched it for me....all my guns go into the nearest landfill, asap. Save the children. :rolleyes::eek:

IBTL
 
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