people like newer guns more than they let on

drkuhar

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After all the comments and post on this forum and others I'm on I'm starting to think people like the newer guns more than they say. I had my 629 prelock up for trade only for a new classic model and offer cash to boot. Now I did not want to sell because around me new classics take a long time to get.. I figured a prelock and cash for a new classic would be a fast deal. Instead I got offers of other old models or lowball cash or trade offers.
So maybe people like their new lock and mim guns more than they say.
 
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After all the comments and post on this forum and others I'm on I'm starting to think people like the newer guns more than they say. I had my 629 prelock up for trade only for a new classic model and offer cash to boot. Now I did not want to sell because around me new classics take a long time to get.. I figured a prelock and cash for a new classic would be a fast deal. Instead I got offers of other old models or lowball cash or trade offers.
So maybe people like their new lock and mim guns more than they say.

Trade a pre-lock plus cash for a newer lock model??? People probably thought that deal was an April fools' joke and didn't bite...

I see it as people not having (or wanting) 629s with locks making offers for a desirable 629 without the lock.
 
I have a new classic model 29 with 4 inch barrel. I love it. But I also have an older model 19 and model 10. I prefer the older models, but at the time couldn't find a nice pre lock 29. So I settled on the classic. I may still keep an eye out for a pre lock 29 but I'm content... For now!

ETA I'm in my late 30's and much prefer revolvers to semis. But I won't discriminate against any gun lol
 
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"I know what you're thinking. 'Does that gun have a lock on it or is it pre-lock?' Well to tell you the truth in all this excitement I kinda lost track myself. But being this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and would blow your head clean off, you've gotta ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky enough to expect a malfunction?' Well, do ya, punk?"
 
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Unfortunately, to make the lock fit, they changed the contour of the frame where the hammer is for the K and L frames, making the radius much more shallow. It might be nitpicky to some, but to me this ruins the appearance of the gun. They look bloated to me. Because of this more than anything else, I haven't found a medium frame S&W with the lock that I liked. The N frames have not been changed this way, so I might be tempted to buy an S&W with the lock if it was a model that does not exist without it, like the TRR8 or 929. But if it exists as a pre-lock version, I'd much rather have the pre-lock gun.
 
I have a new classic model 29 with 4 inch barrel. I love it. But I also have an older model 19 and model 10. I prefer the older models, but at the time couldn't find a nice pre lock 29. So I settled on the classic. I may still keep an eye out for a pre lock 29 but I'm content... For now!

You and drkuhar should get together and make a deal. Seems like you'd both be the happier.
 
I must be weird...

I have revolvers dating from the 50's to the present and I like them all for various reasons... lock or not... started with 4 inch K frame passion that I got from my late father. later L frames... then N frames... J frames and then X frames... I have blue, nickel and stainless... like them all... some for history... some for technology... I guess I am just an accumulator not a collector... on the plus side I have not limited myself too much... and I am pretty sure I am not alone. Oh and I am going to turn 50 in August...
 
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I am stubborn. Modern things may work just fine, but I also subscribe to the teachings of Murphy! My old no lock Smiths work just fine, and have never failed me. I have Smith revolvers in 22, 38 Special, 357 Magnum, and 41 Magnum, I just don't see a need for an additional caliber, unless I can find an affordable on pension Model 16 K32 Masterpiece that is a no lock and weighs in at about 38 ounces!

I don't tempt fate, and I play to win. No need to have something else on a gun that can go wrong. Besides, the most important safety doesn't come with the gun, it's the one between the operator's ears!
 
I prefer older revolvers. I can live with MIM, but I'm as likely to buy a plastic something or other as I am a S&W w/ a lock. That's all I'm going to say.

A while back, there was so much "lock bashing", it warranted a big banner, so we probably don't want to tiptoe towards thin ice here!
 
I started this because I have some of the new classics and really enjoy them. They function fine I just found I like blue and wood over stainless anytime. Unfortunately around my area it 6-9 months to get a blued model if then.
I am 41 and prefer revolvers. lock / no lock , mim, forged don't bother me as long as I like what I'm holding.
most people I run into with the new classics wouldn't part with them for anything. I know I wouldn't mine
so far I've aquire d 586 4", 586 6", 27 6 1/2", 29 6 1/2" only a few left I need for my classic obsession?
it appears my issue is more blued vs stainless lol
 
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Please don't read this as an offensive statement. The classics are bring back of the revolvers we all cherish sans the internal locks. Nothing says class more than blue steel and walnut. You are gravitating to the classiest revolvers Smith has made. Handle the originals, and you will go hog wild!
 
Most of the people I know that own the newer classic models are in the mid thirty age group. A good majority of these guys have never held an older model to make a comparison to.

Most of the people I know that own the older models are in the 60 to 99 year age group. A good majority of these guys have never had a new model to make a comparison to.

(sorry, I couldn't resist).

Here are a few new models with MIM parts and locks that I really like. (I also have lots of old S&W's plus some pinned and recessed models)

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People who actually own late model S&W revolvers with the IL and MIM parts may be more satisfied with them than they would admit on this forum, but I seriously doubt that means that such guns are generally more popular than the forum members are letting on. Is it just me or don't most new gun purchases seem to come with an apology of sorts? I think that's pretty sad.

The pre-IL/MIM guns hearken back to a time that may not have been perfect, but was still marked by a greater dedication to quality and much less corner-cutting than is seen today – before the customer was co-opted as the final stage of quality assessment. The bluing was bluer and the triggers were smoother. And that means something to many – albeit not all – of us. As long as these older guns remain available and accessible on the secondary market, I see no reason to encourage S&W to continue making knock-offs of their own legendary designs by purchasing a new revolver. Newer should mean better, but in the case of S&W only the cost accounting is obviously new and improved. I want S&W to survive as a going concern and not go the way of Colt, but there is clearly something wrong when many users – not just collectors – are willing to pay as much or more for guns that are 25+ years old than for new versions of the same or similar guns. If you want to survive, profit, and grow as a company, trying to convince people to fork out hundreds of dollars for something they immediately feel the need to apologize for does not seem like the best long-term strategy. But I'm old-fashioned like that and maybe that sort of logic no longer applies today (although I doubt it).

If it were only a matter of the dreaded IL, most of us could see past it and accept that time marches on. But IL and MIM and hit-or-miss quality? MIM might be acceptable from the standpoint of functionality, and two piece barrels might be superior on paper. But such "improvements" first and foremost allow the manufacturer to reduce its dependence on old-fashioned craftsmanship in the manufacturing process, and that has implications for the resulting product as a whole. A high-quality product is more than merely the sum of its parts. Time may march on, but it's simply too much for us "gun snobs" young and old who demand quality in both function and aesthetics. If you covet or have one of the new "Classics" and are happy with it, more power to you. As for me: No thank you!
 
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