Shot a python today.... meh.

I think being hyped up about a gun can spoil your first impression. I was looking forward to shooting an AK 47, a gun with a lot of history and heavy involvement throughout the world. Ingenious design and use of materials. but it felt like I was holding a plank that shot. What was I expecting??? An electrically charged rainbow shooting out the end turning the whole target area to ash??? I think I'm going to put myself in the proper frame of mind before I try any new gun.:confused:

IF YOU READ AND HEARD ABOUT THE LEGENDARY PYTHONS FOR MANY YEARS, YOU MAY HAVE SOME UNREASONABLE EXPECTATIONS, WHEN YOU FINALLY GET TO SHOOT ONE.......

BACK IN THE DAY, THEY WERE MANUFACTURED WITH A DEGREE OF HAND FITTING OF PARTS, AND ATTENTION TO DETAIL, THAT EXCEEDED THAT OF ANY OTHER MANUFACTURER IN THE INDUSTRY---INCLUDING SMITH & WESSON.......

THAT BEING SAID, THEY ARE NOT MAGICAL, AND A PARTICULAR S&W CAN BE FOUND, THAT WILL OUTSHOOT A PARTICULAR COLT PYTHON......
 
My '75 colt Python 6" /357mag was an awesome revolver probably the best revolver I ever owned and shot. She had a 100yd zero using my Speer 140gr jhp behind 2400 powder with pin point accuracy. I wish I never traded it in.
 
l have heard of,seen Smythons and Smolts...Both L frames w/Colt barrels.

Have YET to see a Smith&Python or a Snake&Wesson.. What say you ???

Smith&Wesson then brought out their Very Own ''Smython"--L frame 686

They say limitation/Duplication is the highest form of flattery...

Works in clothes, tools, houses, cars.. REVOLVERS TOO
 
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l have heard of,seen Smythons and Smolts...Both L frames w/Colt barrels.

Have YET to see a Smith&Python or a Snake&Wesson.. What say you ???

Smith&Wesson then brought out their Very Own ''Smython"--L frame 686

They say limitation/Duplication is the highest form of flattery...

Works in clothes, tools, houses, cars.. REVOLVERS TOO

.........AND........I think S&W hired the "python guy" to put all those unnecessary full lugs on Smiths of today.......
 
BTW.....I have python from the custom shop that my wife bought me in 1980($480.00 NIB)....I still shoot it some but much prefer my Smiths......AND if you shoot "em" much they go out of time rather quickly....But that's a subject for another thread.........
 
Different strokes for different..... well, you know the rest! :rolleyes:

Trust me, it wasn't the gun. :cool:
 
Let's not forget our great friend, the small time non gun guy speculator, who dabs here and there in various markets with extra cash he has laying around hearing about rare this and that and a shortage and high demand for this and that, makes a warehouse out of his basement, and spends tens of thousands of dollars on various things in small speculative markets, from classic cars to guns and ammunition after Sandy hook, often times with things he does not fully understand. Get enough of them in any given market, with enough hype among themselves, they may very well take over a market, and the market is no longer a speculator selling to an actual collector or consumer, but rather one wide eyed speculator selling to an even wider eyed man who understands the market even less.

We saw this in clear action after Sandy Hook in our whole entire field, legitimate people like us hoarding ammunition, relaoding components, guns and magazines of all types. Also, the endless surge of out of the field people who speculated, bought 20 AR's and tens of thousands of rounds of any ammunition they could find based on the idea the shortages guaranteed profit. Plenty of speculators selling to speculators. This is mostly behind us.

The other night I looked up on GunBroker 38 and 357 Magnums in blue. From what I saw that night, there was no shortage of Pythons, in fact, there were more Pythons that night than any other model of blue revolver in that caliber. All for $2,500 or much, much higher. Didn't seem to be any shortage of people selling Pythons or Pythons for sale. Not tat all. Just a price problem. One has to think, because some are old listings from gun sellers who are just following market prices, but how many Pythons have been bought up at ridiculous collector prices, not to collect, but to resell on the "hot" market for, of course, a guaranteed high profit.

Small time speculation feeds itself like a fire. The more people talk about Python's and demand, the more demand grows, or at least, seems to grow. Are these guns being sold to actual collectors, actual shooters, people of interest, or is the main market other speculators?

If Colt made brand new Pythons, and I could get a royal blue 6 inch barrel for $1,000 NIB, I sure would collect my pennies and get one to go alongside my M27. (I'd still carry my M27 instead). But at these prices, forget it, it ain't worth it. Good guns, but not $2,000+. I'll get a good French built masterpiece for that price, and get something that's worth it.
 
Trust me, it wasn't the gun. :cool:

But it's always easier to blame the gun.
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shot my 1st python and road my 1st harley. many moons ago..............meh and meh
 
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Its funny. It seems to me that the people agreeing with me don't have a python, and the people who are poopooing my post are trying to justify having one...
 
l have heard of,seen Smythons and Smolts...Both L frames w/Colt barrels.

Have YET to see a Smith&Python or a Snake&Wesson.. What say you ???

Smith&Wesson then brought out their Very Own ''Smython"--L frame 686

They say limitation/Duplication is the highest form of flattery...

Works in clothes, tools, houses, cars.. REVOLVERS TOO

I OWN SEVERAL PYTHONS, AND SEVERAL 686s. I ENJOY BOTH MODELS, AND I THINK THAT EACH OF THEM REPRESENTS THE FINEST .357 REVOLVER, BEING MANUFACTURED DURING THEIR RESPECTIVE ERAS......

I AM ALSO INTRIGUED BY GUNSMITH CREATED HYBRIDS----"SMYTHONS", "SMOLTS", AND THE LIKE........

OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT THE 686 IS A SIMILAR SIZE AS THE PYTHON, I FEEL THAT THERE IS LITTLE TO WARRANT THE INFERENCE THAT "IMITATION", OR "DUPLICATION" OF THE PYTHON, WAS AT WORK, IN THE DESIGN OF THE 686.......

LIKEWISE, I DON'T FEEL THAT THE RUGER GP-100 WARRANTS THE TERM OF AN "IMITATION" OR "DUPLICATION" OF EITHER THE PYTHON, OR THE 686, MERELY BECAUSE IT IS OF SIMILAR SIZE.......
 
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Its funny. It seems to me that the people agreeing with me don't have a python, and the people who are poopooing my post are trying to justify having one...

It is kind of funny, but not too surprising... I haven't responded to your post until now, so haven't had the chance to 'poopoo' anything. But, I do have 3 Pythons (a 6", 4", and a 2.5"). And own over a couple of dozen Smiths, including 3 Model 27s, 3 Model 15s, 3 model 14s, 3 Model 17s, 3 Model 29s, a couple of Model 19s, a Model 28, 25, 586, 686, 66, etc., etc... I've been shooting a long time, and my observations are not brand biased, or based on a whole bunch of ignorance (always room for some ignorance...).

That said, the Pythons are hand fitted, fine shooting revolvers; always very accurate for me. Tough to compare, as every gun is a little different, but overall, I'd say that my Pythons are as accurate, or more accurate than any of my Smiths. My 4" Python is an absolute tack driver. That said, I've got a few Smiths that are also tack drivers, including a 66-2, which is a relatively newer Smith, so it's not just an older guns are better thing either. The v spring Colts have generally been deemed to be inherently more accurate due to the unique nature of how the cylinder locks up just prior to the break of the trigger. This is why most of the top bulls-eye shooters/champions back in the day preferred to use Colts. Also, with the Pythons, I find the overall fitment to be just beautiful. From how well tuned the actions are, to the finish, they are hard to beat, IMO.

People that are used to a Smith trigger, and not used to v-spring action Colt triggers often have issue with the Colt trigger. Personally, I've always loved the stack of the Colt trigger. If you get familiar with the trigger, in double action you can stack it to the point right before single action. Doing this gives you the nice single action 'final break.' Most non-Colt guys just complain that it stacks because they're not used to the action. I have found it to be preferable. In quick double action shooting you just pull right through the stack, nice trigger. In slow/target double action shooting you can stack the trigger to get a really nice single action break. Of course, the single action break is beautiful on these Colts. On a Python everything I just described is just so smoooooth.

I have a couple of Smiths that have very nice triggers, as well. A couple of them have been tuned after leaving the factory, and a couple are pretty nice right out of the box. I also have a some that are nothing to write home about. Again, every gun is a little different. With the special attention to fitment and tuning that Pythons received when they were made, their triggers are consistently very nice. I know that all the ones that I've ever shot have had great triggers.

Now, of course, if you are really used to a particular gun and have a lot of trigger time with it, and then you shoot some other gun that has a different action for the first time, I would not expect you to be as proficient with that new gun. I can also understand you not thinking much about it due to not doing as well with it. This happens to us S&W guys when we shoot a Glock for the first time; ugh! That said, I've know guys that have always just shot Glocks, and they can't shoot a double action revolver trigger to save their lives, literally...

Opinions will always differ on the Colt vs. Smith thing, and that's just fine. Different strokes for different folks. When it comes to 'poopooing' Colts in general, and Pythons specifically, it I've observed that it generally comes from those that don't own them. Now please, I understand there are plenty of guys that have owned them and are not a fan, I'm saying this as a general observation. Traditionally, Colts, and especially Pythons, have been more expensive than Smiths. There has been animosity forever for this reason, e.g., that high dollar Colt/Python is no better than my Smith, Ruger, etc... So, Dillyp, this fits with your observation above, everyone wants to justify their purchase/ownership, and other people poopooing Colts because they want to justify not owning one... ;) Not saying you weren't impressed, I'm sure you weren't.

Like I said, to each their own. I love both Smiths and Colts, and really appreciate the workmanship found on the pre-war Colts, and the Pythons, and also of some of the pre-war Smiths and some of their flagship models.

Just my thoughts, thanks for sharing yours, too.
 
Its funny. It seems to me that the people agreeing with me don't have a python, and the people who are poopooing my post are trying to justify having one...

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Did you figure that out all by yourself, or did you have some help?
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Like I said above I've owned my python for 37 years. Shot it a lot in the early years......had to replace the V-spring because it started snapping....Had to peen the hand twice to bring it back into time.....Never had to do that to any of my Smiths.......I believe python owners of today "fondle" their guns way more than they shoot "em".
 
Like I said above I've owned my python for 37 years. Shot it a lot in the early years......had to replace the V-spring because it started snapping....Had to peen the hand twice to bring it back into time.....Never had to do that to any of my Smiths.......I believe python owners of today "fondle" their guns way more than they shoot "em".
never owned one, never shot one. Did get the opportunity to handle one at LGS and feel it out thoroughly including dry fire. I don't/didn't have the money to spend on that gun, but if I did I certainly would have. Maybe it wouldn't have shot well, maybe it would have driven tacks. Don't know. But I'd of bought it if I had the loot. Tightest lock-up & best trigger I have felt on a revolver yet. Of any make.
 
That's too bad on your experience. I had the opportunity to shoot one for the first time earlier in the year. It was a 4" nickel Python and the owner allowed me 12 rounds. Have to say, I have shot a lot of nice Smith's over the years but I'm still thinking about how that Python's trigger felt. I've never been a fan of the looks but that revolver was a sweet shooter.
 
I did buy a Python and the trigger action in DA has a different feel than many other guns. The DA action seems shorter than most guns and it is rather smooth to boot. The SA is the cats meow. It is like a 1911 in that it is extremely light and trips without notice.
Personally I feel the Python looks are beautiful. The ribbed barrel adds much to the guns appearance. To each his own but I feel the Python is perhaps one of the best looking guns ever made.
There is a lot of talk about the Pythons going out of time and having all kinds of short comings but for some reason they are still selling for high dollar. I guess the majority of the Pythons are still performing as the longevity they were built for. Some of the Python bashers might read up on how the model 19 was known for short life shooting a steady diet of magnum rounds. The Python was intentionally built to withstand magnum pressures.

Comparing it to my new 627-5 pro. The 627 trigger action right out of the box was disappointing. It was a bit heavy compared to the Python. It has a longer pull than the Python. The balance went in favor to the Python as the 627 feels more muzzle heavy. I lubed the trigger action and backed off the tension screw a bit and now I am pleased with the trigger action being much like the Python action pull being fairly light and smooth. I know the flamers will say don't ever back off the tension screw but if Meculik does it with his guns then it is good enough for me. I have had no light strikes or trigger malfunctions what so ever. The trigger now feels super good.
Compared shooting I actually have tighter patterns with the 627. I have several other Smith revolvers but I don't shoot them as well as I can with the Python. Out of all my guns the 627 is number one with the Python a close second.

Did I pay to much for my Python? Probably, but am I dissatisfied with it? No I am not. It meets the reasons why I bought it. You can't take money with you so you might as well enjoy what it can buy.

Look at the prices on some of the older Smiths and many of them are claiming sky high prices also. Are they worth 10x what they cost new? They are if you think so. Some would say only a nut would pay that much for a gun when a new gun will go bang just as well. To each his own.
 

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