Barred from concealed EDC at home

[usm1rifle]

I slip an LCP in my pants pocket when I get dressed in the morning and it stays there unnoticed like my wallet till I go to bed. Really not much to ponder or otherwise justify beyond that.

I'm in and out of the house a lot during the day. Why would I bother to disarm myself every time I enter the house? All that would accomplish is something else to forget when I walk out the house again. Other than talking to you fine folks on the subject, the fact that I'm carrying really doesn't cross my mind through the day while out and about or snoozing on the couch.

That said, I've seen plenty of discussion from people who think carrying a gun inside the home is like suffering some type of DEFCON alert paranoid condition. If carrying a gun puts them at such unease then they probably shouldn't.

THIS IS THE ANSWER.

 

[jimmyj]

CCW 24X7 except in the shower and the weapon is right outside the shower.
In bed weapon in within reach next to bed head board.

I am old, slow, with a terminal disease. And now my gun hand is impaired.

 

[doug86]

It wouldn't have ended differently, I still would have left the situation alone, no one was yelling at me. It was a situation where I would have felt better if I was armed just in case I was engaged into something I wanted no part of. My best weapon is my brain not my gun. My gun just gives me a personal feeling of comfort when I'm out in the world for some odd reason. Maybe I've just become use to having it on me. Funny thing is when I was first issued didn't carry for the first 6 months. After I started I became use to it like putting on my shoes. I'm not completely dressed until I have my sidearm, knife, flashlight. I'm not John Rambo just a normal guy living in a really screwed up world. I highly suggest to anyone that has a license to carry to make sure you know what you're getting into if you ever have to use your sidearm. The way laws are now days you better be able to prove that your life was very much in danger before you pull that handle. Just my useless 2 cents, hope it answered your question.

You did answer, and I'm glad it was honest and not the more humorous answer that you put in your follow up post.

I guess I was looking for you to answer as you did, if only to reinforce into this thread that avoiding confrontation is always the best defense, whether you are armed or not. We are in agreement.

 

[dlombard]

I don't understand the relationship between national reciprocity and a Utah license. Would appreciate an explanation from anyone who does.

Been thinking on this. Maybe dlombard means if there were national reciprocity, and he had a Utah non-resident permit, then California, his state of residence, would have to recognize his Utah permit, even if California continued to refuse to issue him a permit...

California has counties where you can obtain a permit without having to supply proof that your life is currently in danger (i.e., an active death threat in a restraining order), but Los Angeles isn't one of them. The one way you are going to CCW permit from the LAPD here is either being well connected/wealthy, active-duty/reserve/retired LEO or you've got a court order against someone who's either tried to kill you or has made credible threats as such. If national reciprocity becomes a thing, then you don't have to be warned you might be killed by someone specific in order to exercise your 2nd amendment rights to carry all the time.

I DON'T know of anyone trying to kill me now, and I hope I never do. That doesn't mean I can't/won't be the victim of a crime. I HAVE been mugged before and I was pretty much convinced from the moment they got the drop on me I was going to die that night. I'm never letting myself be caught off guard so badly like that ever again. That was stupid on my part and I'm thankful that 12 years later, I've been able to avoid a situation like that so far. But if I ever had to deal with someone trying to come after me with a weapon, and I'm unarmed and/or outnumbered, then what?

Most people living in L.A. county are on their own.

 

[44MLBpilot]

I live across the street from a state police barracks. A few years ago, someone came up into my driveway, in broad daylight, and stole a 5 gallon can of gasoline from in front of my garage (which faces the barracks.). Yesterday, someone came to my house (also broad daylight) while no one was here, opened the front door, and left something on my living room floor. When we returned home, we did a quick search of the house, and then went to the local pd to report the incident. It's a rural community, very low crime rate, etc. But we are 8 miles from a town where the heroin epidemic is nearly out of control, and there are a massive amount of break ins all around the area. Things everywhere are getting pretty sketchy these days.....do I carry at home? I do NOW!

 

[Erich]

Yesterday, someone came to my house (also broad daylight) while no one was here, opened the front door, and left something on my living room floor.

You might also want to start locking that front door, partner.

 

[Mister X]

There was a time when I didn't really see a need, but now pretty much always have a lightweight snub as well as a tactical folder on me.

There's an average of of 3.7 million household burglaries each year with a family member being present during the burglary 28% of the time and experiencing some form of violent victimization 7% of the time.

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/ascii/vdhb.txt

Concealed Carry Tactics to Neutralize a Home Invasion

 

[Wise_A]

I feel like people's perception of "home invasion" doesn't synch up with statistical reality.

*On average, household members became victims of violent crimes in about 266,560 burglaries annually. Offenders known to their victims accounted for 65% of these burglaries; strangers accounted for 28%.

*In nonviolent burglaries, household members knew the offender in 30% of the burglaries taking place while someone was home; the offender was a stranger in 24%. The identity of the offender was unknown in 46% of burglaries.

*Overall, 61% of offenders were unarmed when violence occurred during a burglary while a resident was present. About 12% of all households violently burglarized while someone was home faced an offender armed with a firearm.

*On average, household members became victims of violent crimes in about 266,560 burglaries annually. Offenders known to their victims accounted for 65% of these burglaries; strangers accounted for 28%.

Households with a white head of household were somewhat less likely than those with a black head of household to experience a burglary while a household member was present. Asian and Pacific Islander head of households were the least likely to be present during a burglary.

Households with a head of household ages 12 to 19 had the
highest rates of burglary; ages 65 or older had the lowest
rates

Household members living in mobile homes (32 per 1,000 households) were more likely than those living in any other type of housing to experience a burglary while no one was home, with one exception hotels, motels, and rooming houses.
Households living in mobile homes were equally likely as those
staying in a hotel, motel, or rooming house to experience a
burglary while no one was present (table 4).

Households residing in houses or apartment complexes (9 per
1,000 households) were somewhat less likely than those living
in mobile homes (11 per 1,000 households) to be burglarized
while someone was home.

Residents present during a burglary were equally likely to be victimized by an intimate partner (current or former) as they were by a stranger

Victims in violent burglaries were equally likely to report knowing the offender in some manner in an attempted forcible burglary as they were to report the offender as a stranger.

 

[dlombard]

You're considered a pretty good hitter if you can get on base only 20% of the time you're at bat. That's what perspective does to statistics.

If you're killed inside of that 1% chance of a lethal encounter with a complete stranger, does not being in the other 99% chance bring you back to life after the fact?

 

[Walkingwolf]

Fences, dogs, and guns. My wife has not complained about any of them, well sometimes the dogs.

 

[keith44spl]

Well let's see here,


Wallet, keys, pocket knife, money clip, pocket pistol..... Just the everyday stuff.




Oh yeah, what's in my pockets....Is my business and mine alone.




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[ChattanoogaPhil]

At home or away... good to go.

 

[Whitwabit]

Some of you may remember this thread of mine from just about a year ago. http://smith-wessonforum.com/concea...s-self-home-invasion-updated-4-22-2016-a.html.

This man lived in a fairly nice part of town, catercorner from a high end restaurant, lots of lighting and not a high crime area. He was older, about 80, if I remember correctly. Fortunately he was carrying even though he was at home, minding his own business.

I realize that he may have made some mistakes, but he is still alive.

Best Regards, Les

Sadly this man who lived near me isn't .. Normal man reportedly kidnapped dies | WJBC AM 1230

Home invasions can turn deadly very quickly .. carrying at home in todays world should not be taken lightly and there is a need for one to protect themselves in their own homes !!

It has been drummed into our heads that the police are here to protect you !! But the average arrival time of a police officer on a call is almost always 10 minutes or longer ..

Where I live in the country it would take even longer if the sheriff was on the other side of the county .. probably closer to 20 minutes to get here unless they would happen by chance to be closer .. in town even 10 minutes would be fast ..

Are you willing to be unprotected for that long if a Perp were to break into your home .. would your neighbors notice something out of place today .. tomorrow .. next week ?? do you talk to someone everyday that would call police if they couldn't get ahold of you .. would they come to your home to see if you were ok if they couldn't contact you within a few hours ??

If you were tied up would someone check on you before you might die ??

Just something to think about ..

Carrying at home doesn't mean something will happen or that you even think that something will happen .. Carrying at home means YOUR PREPARED IF SOMETHING DOES HAPPEN !!

 

[keith44spl]

I live in a very friendly rural area, almost a Mayberry.


But over the last few days and nites, we have had armed fugitives on the loose.
I'd say everyone is carrying at home and when out and about.


It seems like a dangerous world everywhere ya go now in days.


As the ol saying goes, "Your on your own!"


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[BE Mike]

I feel like people's perception of "home invasion" doesn't synch up with statistical reality.

Violent crime overall has decreased over the years. That being said, statistics like you posted, don't really tell the whole story. The older we get or the weaker we are makes our likelihood of being targets of crime increase. There is also the fact that living in certain areas make us more likely to be targets. Living in a community where illegal drug use is rampant also contributes to the possibility that we will be a statistic. If we are on prescribed pain medication, we likely will be considered prey. I doubt that my house will catch on fire. Statistically the risk is low, but I have several fire extinguishers.

 

[Remmark54]

It's easy for them to complain about in-house carry and say your "hobby" is excessive when nothing has happened. They take the past and project it to the future with the same results. Ignoring that that may change; denial most likely. It's like the power ball winner. Somebody has to be 100% and the rest 0%. You don't know until it happens. You have to be prepared for either outcome. Home defense is the same. If there is an incident, things will change in a hurry. If not then that individual is too dumb to live with and should be fired.
I had a noise in the night I couldn't identify so I grabbed my gun and discovered it was my wife who returned to the bedroom at the EXACT same time I figured it out so my gun facing the door way, got pointed at her for a millisecond before I moved it and she freaked. We had a very troublesome couple of days and some nasty conversation about the incident. She almost got fired for her responses and emotional thinking in which she was not listening to me nor getting what I was saying about her requests. I refused to put our house in danger do to her unreasonable requests. She has a loaded gun on her side of the bed and carries too. I mentioned this to my sister and one brother. Naturally my sister sided with my wife and my brother side with me and told my sister she was wrong. My sister is not a gun girl. Once she calmed down, we were able to get it resolved.

 

[dlombard]

I'm thinking that one of these days, I will try to share this link:

Concealed Carry Tactics to Neutralize a Home Invasion

It BASICALLY said everything I said (and what many of you have said also) but it's not me as the one saying it. Which sometimes helps. The problem is, of course, how to present it. If a person is sufficiently close-minded enough, it can seem that there can be no "right way" to broach a subject.

 

[CH4]

Fortunately my wife is also LEOSA qualified.

 

[AimHigher]

Keep in mind that a home invader's top priority upon entry is to gain control of the occupants. They expect people to be home and know that many have firearms. They are counting on the element of surprise, plus fear. Is is unlikely that you will be able to get to a stored weapon unless it is within arms reach. If you are comfortable with the improbability of being a victim, don't carry. I just don't take mine off when I get home. My wife and kids are used to it. When guests come over I don't carry exposed.

There is great value in investing in strong doors and locking hardware. If they hit the door, you want it to make noise - not splinters. An early warning system if you will. Gives you time to react and take defensive measures. Our doors are solid and the deadbolts are very robust. Not saying that they can't be defeated, but it will take numerous hard and heavy hits to bust in.

In my situation, there is a ground floor and a basement recreation / television room and bath. I don't know where I might find myself if an intrusion was attempted during the day or before bedtime. On the other hand, I think the likelihood of a home invasion in my current residence is generally low to very low. We also have a dog with hearing like NORAD's radar. He will go into his deep serious bark and growl at the first hint of strangers approaching or unusual sounds in the night. When we hear that serious bark, we take it seriously.

So far, I've kept my primary hand-cannon in my bedroom about 4 feet from my sleeping station. My thought is that between the noise created by the door being hit and the mutt going off, I will have ample warning and will have time to retrieve Roscoe and call 9-1-1 to at least get them moving in our general direction. And no, Roscoe isn't the dog's name.

 

[AimHigher]

It's easy for them to complain about in-house carry and say your "hobby" is excessive when nothing has happened. They take the past and project it to the future with the same results. Ignoring that that may change; denial most likely. It's like the power ball winner. Somebody has to be 100% and the rest 0%. You don't know until it happens. You have to be prepared for either outcome. Home defense is the same. If there is an incident, things will change in a hurry. If not then that individual is too dumb to live with and should be fired.
I had a noise in the night I couldn't identify so I grabbed my gun and discovered it was my wife who returned to the bedroom at the EXACT same time I figured it out so my gun facing the door way, got pointed at her for a millisecond before I moved it and she freaked. We had a very troublesome couple of days and some nasty conversation about the incident. She almost got fired for her responses and emotional thinking in which she was not listening to me nor getting what I was saying about her requests. I refused to put our house in danger do to her unreasonable requests. She has a loaded gun on her side of the bed and carries too. I mentioned this to my sister and one brother. Naturally my sister sided with my wife and my brother side with me and told my sister she was wrong. My sister is not a gun girl. Once she calmed down, we were able to get it resolved.

Maybe the first thing you could have done is check for your wife's presence in bed before anything else?