Unhappy Day With My Latest Purchase...

Finally, shame on the dishonest individual who sold this gun damaged, and dirty to hide the fact. You are the type of person that should not own firearms if you cannot own up to your mistakes and live with them.

Up until that little paragraph, I see nothing in your post that alludes to the previous owner of the gun.

That owner may not be as experienced as you say you are, someone who "knows a bulge when he sees one." I don't see that you have any reason to accuse him of deliberately leaving the gun dirty to hide any damage, much less to accuse him of being dishonest and the "type of person that should not own firearms."

Just as an aside, I don't consider myself to be any sort of firearms expert. What I am, though, is someone who has a borelight with him when going to an LGS or big box store. I'll do as thorough an inspection of a gun as possible before I plunk down my hard earned money and leave the store with a purchase.

As someone else says...buyer beware.
 
I will be interested to hear what S&W has to say. I agree it would be good to mention the S&W sales reps name when you talk to S&W.

I assume if you could find another 617 in your area, you won't be messing around with this and just return it. Right?
 
I know when you buy a new gun at Academy Sports they tell you up front they cannot take it back for any reason if it has a problem or other wise, you will have to send it back to the factory for warranty work. Something to do with the state or Federal gun laws because that doesn't apply to any other product they sell.
 
Yes, some people do sell guns with damages and not identify them. I bought a 22/32 HFT that had a bulge just past the ejector rod latch. you couldn't see it but you could just feel it. When I pushed a tight patch down the barrel it was very evident. It is one I discussed with David Chicoine and he installed a sleeve in the barrel and it shoots as expected. I doubt if I'll ever recover the expense of having him sleeve it though.
 
Sorry for the OPs problem.

Lots of people buy used guns w/o issues, I don't go there. The only way I would buy a used gun would be if I knew the person selling it well.

My concern would be that someone would handload wildly overpressure rounds and overstress the gun, something, unless really obvious, couldn't be detected w/o magnafluxing or other scientific test.

Just my 2 cents worth. Don
 
To the OP,

I can appreciate your position. If I were you, since you still have some type of warranty recourse from the merchant for your revolver, I would take it back to them. If need be, address the store manager. The fact that they purchased such a dirty used gun places them at fault, if not on a contributory basis, but I would not let it rest there. I would contact S&W to advise them not just of the damaged revolver, but the interference of the senior S&W rep and his generous claim that S&W would repair the damage on your new to you used revolver. I would emphasize that he discounted your assessment of damage which has been confirmed by a number of reputable shops/smiths. Include pictures of the bore, as you provided here.

It would be my suspicion that a previous owner had a couple of squib loads and kept firing without checking the bore. That is about the only logical explanation I can provide for the bulge.

Good luck!
 
So I took it to the range this morning, and I will rate its accuracy as decent considering the bulge. Below are two targets: the first was shot single action at 50 feet, from a standing position, no rest. The second was double action at 50 feet, again free standing, no rest. The single action break is nice and smooth in this gun, as I would expect from any of my S&Ws, the double action is good, but is a bit heavier than my 17-9. Someone had loosened the strain screw to try to lighten it at some point, however the gun was light striking set up that loose. The DA pull is just something I will need to adjust to, and practice with...

Some of you have pointed out that many stores sell guns as is and all sales final, and that I should have been more careful in my prepurchase inspection. I did thoroughly inspect the gun, the bore's fouling hid the bulge when I looked it over, and again, I have never seen a 22LR revolver with a bulged barrel before, so I wasn't particularly looking hard for one anyway. This dealer in particular offers a safety and function garentee for 10 days, during which they will fix or take the gun back. Most of the local dealers do this as well, and none have ever contested a return like this before, in the very few instances that I have asked to do so. I am very accustomed to buying used guns, I'd say 95% if the firearms I own were bought used, the only brand new gun that comes to mind that I have purchased recently was an M&P 15-22, and only because used examples are not available in my area. Nearly every rimfire gun I have bought came thoroughly filthy, but I usually find a decent gun underneath, the 17-9 I mentioned above, for example, came to me caked with so much lead that the forcing come appeared to have grown in diameter. The previous owner tried to hide the fouling by coloring it over with a Sharpie or bluing pen, and after about 2 hours of careful cleaning, the gun looked practically brand new. I am leary of certain brands, Taurus for example, that are popular with new and inexperinced shooters, as I have had other problem guns, one 22 revolver appearing to have had its chambers reamed with a drill bit, and again hidden beneath fouling, however at least in my area, the 617 is not considered an entry-level gun, and finds most of its following amongst competition shooters or at the very least, shooters of a higher experience level, rather than first time buyers.

That said, I counter the argument that a previous owner may not have known the barrel was bulged: If you have ever experienced this condition occurring, you'd know it right away. Even if you did not notice right away, you would certainly notice when your cleaning rod doesn't fit all the way through the barrel due to an obstruction. The gun was dirty when I bought it, but not to the point where I would suspect that the previous owner didn't bother to ever clean it. It had maybe 1000 rounds worth of fouling on it, and, as there were no bullets stuck in the barrel, somebody also had to go through the process of removing them. I would not expect to find a bulge like this if the pressure from the second round had pushed both bullets out of the gun, so the likelyhood of the barrel being obstructed is pretty good. Also, knowing the retailer, they are at least smart enough to check every incoming firearm for barrel or chamber obstructions, so I suspect that it was clear when they took it in, else they wouldn't have taken it.

Feel however you want about my situation, at this point, I probably will work with S&W on barrel replacement and just keep the gun. From now on I will insist on pushing a patch through the barrel of every gun, so I can feel for any problems not easily visible.
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Buyer beware . . .

True. But when buying at a gun store, I am expecting some assistance in this. I am expecting them to have looked over it. To what degree, is a good question.




Is there a reason why we are scared to say the name of the store? I am curious who offers a guarantee that it will function for so many days.
 
True. But when buying at a gun store, I am expecting some assistance in this. I am expecting them to have looked over it. To what degree, is a good question.

I agree with you, and because of it have had a similar experience. I was checking out a Colt Official Police .22 at a big box gun store. Was labeled as a totally functioning gun with nothing wrong with it. The man at the counter handled it first and said it was great. Hands it to me and that thing must have had a 25lb trigger pull. Pulling the hammer back was sometimes near impossible I felt like I was going to break it if I tried any harder.
I was surprised that a store like that would not even inspect or notice that obvious of a problem (especially for a .22). And when I asked about their return policy there were so many hoops to jump through it wasn't even worth it.
 
I don't read any mention of anyone measuring anything. So it is all just speculation. Oh yes a mention of you can almost feel something. Just what does that mean?
 
I bought a brand new model 69 about 3 weeks ago with the exact same "bulge" in it....it shoots better than most of my other handguns, i can supply pictures of targets and the barrel if you would like.....I too did not see it because it was dirty from the factory firing two test rounds in it. I personally feel it is more a tooling marking, a really bad one, than a bulge. If it were a bulge the lands would be dismembered and not just the groves.
 
So I took it to the range this morning, and I will rate its accuracy as decent considering the bulge.
My S&W model 17 is very picky about ammo. It shoots much better groups with certain ammo than others. There is also some .22 ammo out there that I have found (unfortunately I bought a bunch) isn't accurate out of any of my .22 guns, including rifles.
 
I don't read any mention of anyone measuring anything. So it is all just speculation. Oh yes a mention of you can almost feel something. Just what does that mean?
Regretfully, I don't own a set if pin gauges that would fit into a 22 barrel. I can see the bulge ring very clearly on the inside of the barrel, the almost feel something refers to the outside of the barrel. In the right light it is actually a visible bulge, and can be felt too. I was going to try to photograph it and post a pic, but can get a good shot. I will however grab my dial caliper out of my tool box tonight before I leave work and take a measurement of the exterior bulge to back up what I am saying.

Also, somebody mentioned that the lands don't seem to be affected, only the grooves, thus maybe a factory defect: The lands are deformed in this spot, it's more clear to the naked eye, and hard to see in my photos. It is definitely a bulge ring.

Anyway, spoke to S&W service this morning, they are taking the gun in for analysis, and looking into the claims made by their sales rep. Hopefully they can help me out, without costing too much...

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@mainegrw,

I am not trying to Monday morning quarterback you ... personally, I hate that.

As a barometer or point of reference, when I shoot my Model 17 at 50' (one handed, unsupported, single action), I can expect my revolver to print 5 rounds in a bit over an inch. Sadly, I can't equate the performance of my K22 with your target, since I don't know the scoring ring diameter.
 
@mainegrw,

I am not trying to Monday morning quarterback you ... personally, I hate that.

As a barometer or point of reference, when I shoot my Model 17 at 50' (one handed, unsupported, single action), I can expect my revolver to print 5 rounds in a bit over an inch. Sadly, I can't equate the performance of my K22 with your target, since I don't know the scoring ring diameter.

The overall target diameter is about 8", and I would estimate the diameter of the 6 ring to be around 4" in diameter. There are few things at play here, the first being the damage to the barrel, next my inexperience with this particular gun, i.e. I have not spent nearly the same amount of time shooting and dry firing with this gun as with most of my other guns, and finally, I have never made any claim about being a great marksman, granted that I still could produce at least 2" group at the same distance with other 22 revolvers if I tried hard. Truthfully, bullseye shooting isn't really my thing, steel plates however is, and my practice as of late, even on paper, emphasizes quicker target acquisition before high accuracy.

Also, I now have hard numbers to quantify the extent of the barrel bulge as exhibited externally: Measured with a digital caliper (rather than my dial caliper), I observed a fairly consistent width measurement of 0.714" from either end of the barrel to within 1" of either side of the highest spot of the bulge. At its peak, the bulge measures 0.730", a difference of 0.016 or just over 1/64". It may not sound like a lot to some of you, but it's enough for it to be felt. Again, I lack the necessary gauge set to get an internal measurement of the area, so I will let S&W do that part.
 
If he's in Maine, it's probably Kittery Trading Post. I'm in TX, but me and a shooting buddy have bought several used guns from them online in the past. They used to have great prices on used handguns.
 
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KTP is not a national chain, it's a large operation with one site in ME and one in NH. OTOH, there is a big national chain in Maine. That's Cabelas.

Just my guess.

If he's in Maine, it's probably Kittery Trading Post. I'm in TX, but me and a shooting buddy have bought several used guns from them online in the past. They used to have great prices on used handguns.
 
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