NY HOME POSESSION, RANGE PERMIT

[ladder13]

This is why I bore people on the Forum by maintaining: "Never say never." If you live in a less restrictive part of the country, you have to remain vigilant about your firearm rights. Here in Nevada, out-of-state instigators pushed for the Universal Background Check amendment last year, which barely passed, but has been held in abeyance by our State Attorney General, bless him.

The antis will never stop.

Kaaskop49
Shield #5103

I always get a kick out of some who proclaim their state to be "free" but when you dig deeper it ain't quite so.
For instance, in NY we carried in bars all the time, not so in many "free" states.
Heck, I never paid a .01, nor "renewed" my NY permit for 30+ years besides the initial costs to get it. We always had lifetime permits. Most other states have renewal periods.
5 year recerts arestarting next year but still no fee.
No such thing as "free" when you need someone's permission to defend yourself.
ymmv

 

[16thVACav]

I think under much objections from county Sheriffs, the NYS pistol permit situation is about to get a lot better or a lot worse.

Put me down for $20 on "a lot worse".

 

[ladder13]

My manager is wanting me to take a promotion that would entail me to move to NYC. I'm really resisting the idea, due to all the nonsense you have to deal with up there with gun licensing.

Given that I currently live in GA, where my permit allows me to carry just about anywhere, that would be a major change.

I'd be more concerned about the rents, high real estate prices and property taxes than anything else.
Prepare for major shock.

 

[JLPiccard]

Simply put you will not get a permit in NYC! PERIOD
Also if you get a permit outside of NYC it is not valid there!

As others have stated counties and many cites administer our convoluted Pistol Permit situation. Many go to their own different drum which in this state as long as they stay inside the very wide parameters of the law can make things very interesting.

That is what I suspected from everything I've been able to research. NYC already has an astronomical cost of living. With restrictions like that, it is very unattractive to me as a place to reside. I'm almost to the point where if he pushes the issue, I'm willing to change companies to not have to move to NYC. I'm a CPA, so it's not like it's going to be hard for me to find work elsewhere (or even set up my own practice).

 

[Retired Chief]

Back in the late "70's" when I was a deputy sheriff, NYC jailed one or our young lads that we wanted back so we could give him food and shelter for the next 6 to 30 years.
The mutt waived extradition, and I was all set to fetch him back to Illinois, when the New York copper I was dealing with told me "By the way, you can't bring your weapon to New York." When I suggested that traveling with a violent felon in custody was not something we did while unarmed, he said that no one except NYC police, NY State Police and the feds were allowed to carry in NYC. I told him to keep the mutt.
I did go get him. NYC police took my gun when I entered the jail (standard operating procedure anywhere), escorted me an my prisoner to the jail exit, returned my weapon, and gave us a ride to the airport.
I ended up with the same deal I would have gotten in Texas (except the one time I went to Texas for a prisoner, I drove), just got a hard time first!

 

[swsig]

A very educational thread. As a Texan, all I can say is .

 

[Ivan the Butcher]

My marriage license and my drivers license are respected in all of this country, and the Constitution says nothing about driving or being married! What is with this thinking and why would Americans stand for it?

Ivan

 

[kaaskop49]

Ivan, as I said above, the antis will never stop until they do away with all of our firearms. They will stoop to the lowest levels possible if it suits their purposes.

The NYS R&P Association fought for decades to allow upstate shooters to enjoy their rights and hobby. What happened? The governor pushed an anti-assault rifle bill through the state legislature at night, I was told (please correct me if I am wrong). Here in Nevada, out-of-state provocateurs pushed for the Universal Background Check amendment. They allegedly collected over 200,000 signatures for the proposal to be placed on the ballot. I do not believe these signatures were either counted or checked for veracity. These were people not from NV. The initiative passed by about 10,000 votes, but has been blocked by the state Attorney General.

As to how the antis get elected, they support other issues that most would agree on. Gun control goes along for the ride. Also, voters who move to lower tax areas often bring their progressive ideas with them. And people simply vote for their party, regardless. "And what could be bad about UBCs? We'll all be safer." Who said that eternal vigilance is the price we pay for freedom?

Kaaskop49
Shield #5103

 

[ladder13]

Ivan, as I said above, the antis will never stop until they do away with all of our firearms. They will stoop to the lowest levels possible if it suits their purposes.

The NYS R&P Association fought for decades to allow upstate shooters to enjoy their rights and hobby. What happened? The governor pushed an anti-assault rifle bill through the state legislature at night, I was told (please correct me if I am wrong)................
Kaaskop49
Shield #5103

If I remember correctly it was after midnight on a Friday night, when most people were not paying attention, and right after the Newtown school shooting.
The Gov stuffed the pockets of a number of RINO's and majority leaders of the legislature, and voila, AWB.

The silver lining, minuscule as it may be, two of those crooks got indicted and convicted of financial malfeasance and are spending time in Federal care.

 

[blindbirddog]

That was interesting. My daughter grew up in NH. You want a gun, you buy a gun. You get the gun the same day. Now we don't need permits to conceal carry. Not a lot of people get shot here.

I bought her a 20 ga. semi for the interim it takes to obtain the home possession pistol permit. I guess she will have to shoot the S&W combat masterpiece (38SP) when she comes home for a visit. She can take it back to VA with her but can't carry in D.C. when she goes to work in the pentagon.

Thanks to all who commented. I am wondering if the permit is worth it for 18 months of graduate school. 6 shots of #3 buck shot from a semi should be pretty good for self defense in the home. Point and pull.

Regards,
Blindbirddog

 

[mortonjl]

I live in Syracuse and just got my ccw permit. My process was first I took the handgun safety course which is required at Runnings in clay. The next day I went to the sheriffs office downtown and got my application at which time they give you your "interview" date. The interview is just when you bring in the finished application and they go over it to make sure everything is complete. From there you call and make an appointment for fingerprints and background check, usually the next week. My interview was 3 weeks after I got the application at the sheriffs office. There are 4 judges that decide which permit you get, 3 are pro-gun and one is anti-gun. I have many friends who have never shot a handgun or really want to ccw but applied and got one of the 3 pro-gun judges and got their ccw. I also know people who work in the gun business and have jobs where it's needed and only got the sportsman permit because they got the wrong judge. Myself, I did get my ccw despite getting judge #4 only because I am ex-military and he made sure I know that from my permit letter. From the day I dropped my application off at the sheriffs office I got my permit letter in the mail 4 weeks later to the day so the whole process took 6 1/2 weeks from the day I took the handgun safety class. You can speed this up by going to the sheriffs office first and getting your interview date and doing the rest before you drop it off.
I'll add this, you mentioned she's a resident of NH? Pretty sure you have to be a resident of NY and specifically Onondaga county to get it here, and your 4 references also have to be residents of Onondaga county. Sorry for the long winded response, PM with any other questions.

 

[ruger 22]

Old cop, the answer to your question is a resounding NO! The biased press will tell you that the NYSafe Act which put in all sorts of rules is a great success. The real life statistics say nothing has changed. Now there is a push to have the State Police do a background check on anyone, EVERY TIME,he/she wants to buy ammo in any quantity. The NYS Police so far has not done so due to the massive resources needed not only to do on the spot checks but also for record keeping/retrieval. But what do you expect from a state that is way in red ink and now is giving free college to anyone whose family income is less than $125,000 per year. The NYS government is so far removed from reality it is a joke. So why not vote them out???Because there are a lot more people here on the dole than those that work for a living and all can vote.

 

[THREEDFLYER]

Holy smokes......I thought living on the LEFT COAST in the Seattle area was restrictive.....you guys in NY are living in freakin communism!!!
My suggestion, get the heck out of that place and quick! I recently moved down to Prescott Valley AZ and I can honestly say that I finally feel like I now live in AMERICA once more!

Good luck to you guys/gals and let me know when you need some info.....there is lots of room for you to relocate down this way!!

 

[Wise_A]

I live in Syracuse and just got my ccw permit.

Good write-up. I'd forgotten about the four personal references--what a nightmare that was! Sounds easy, until you remember that most of the people you know don't actually live in your county, and it's not like you want to broadcast to your neighbors that you're a gunny person.

And yes, there's a residency requirement. Another pita for recent transplants.

As for how bad Syracuse is--probably as bad as Albany. But it doesn't matter where you go, tbh. As soon as you get just a few miles away from the main arteries of the state (I-87, I-90, the Thruway, etc), the scenery gets very Rust Belt / Appalachia-like, and there are pockets of very bad people.

Case in point, where I fish, there's a house owned by a T.D. Waterhouse nephew or somesuch. From that guy's expansive driveway, I can drive about 10 minutes and take you to a house--trailer/shack, really--with a dirt floor, and a Nazi flag flying out front. The guy that lives there has a decent collection of rifles and carbines--at least a few of which are decidedly not-legal--and from what I know of him, is approximately 10-15% of my own personal Why I Carry.

The NYS R&P Association fought for decades to allow upstate shooters to enjoy their rights and hobby. What happened? The governor pushed an anti-assault rifle bill through the state legislature at night, I was told (please correct me if I am wrong). Here in Nevada, out-of-state provocateurs pushed for the Universal Background Check amendment. They allegedly collected over 200,000 signatures for the proposal to be placed on the ballot. I do not believe these signatures were either counted or checked for veracity. These were people not from NV. The initiative passed by about 10,000 votes, but has been blocked by the state Attorney General.

They passed it without reading it. It was so poorly-written, it didn't include a provision exempting the NYSP from the 7-round magazine limitation.

Don't give them a pass, however. The same Republicans voted last year to fund the NYSP database.

The fact of the matter is simple. The people whose ideology ruined NYC have moved north (and south, and west, and are coming to a city near you). The NRA will happily endorse anybody the Republican committees put forth, because there's no alternative. And the ones they nominate, endorse, and get elected, talk about "compromising" gun concerns for economic packages for the North country.

Literally, there is nobody looking out for us that won't sell us out in a heartbeat.

Make no mistake, it doesn't matter where you guys live--what happened to us up here is going to happen to you. Nevada and Colorado are just the start.

 

[Biggfoot44]

There are lots of fine Universities that are not in NY State.

 

[cd228]

NY is my Home of Record, I've my NY license since 1997, back when they gave them to 18 year olds. When I got mine it took a year to get.

The gentlemen, Mortonjl from Syracuse gave you an excellent run down. I would take him up on his offer of more info via PM. Unlike most folks that will pop up in a thread like this, he actually knows what he is talking about having just gone through it.

You/She needs to look into the residency requirements. Part 400 of the NYS Penal code doesn't require residency (It actually says an alien can get a license) but the local may. The difficult part will be the references, reread Mortonjl's post on that.

Another thing to consider is where she will be living. If it's the dorm, they may not be keen on her keeping firearms there. Also, NYS Penal Code section 265.01 makes it a class E felony to posses a weapon on College grounds without the schools permission. I suspect there are similar laws in other states.

Do not apply for a premise license, apply for concealed carry. The judge may restrict you to Hunting, fishing, camping and target shooting, but make them make the decision. When you put in for premise, you are restricting yourself.

That said the North Country is a great place for shooters and hunters, and there are a number of ranges in that area. I was stationed at FT Drum for a while and had a great time. I would tell you that snow tires are a very good investment.

 

[adwjc]

If I remember correctly it was after midnight on a Friday night, when most people were not paying attention, and right after the Newtown school shooting.
The Gov stuffed the pockets of a number of RINO's and majority leaders of the legislature, and voila, AWB.

The silver lining, minuscule as it may be, two of those crooks got indicted and convicted of financial malfeasance and are spending time in Federal care.

The other trick Cuomo used was the "Message of Necessity" so the three day waiting period was skipped and the bill went for an immediate vote. This was (using the old -" never let a tragedy go to waste" political scheme) immediately after the Newtown, Connecticut school shooting.

Funny, they already had it written, just waiting for the right emotional pressure point....

 

[DD357]

My manager is wanting me to take a promotion that would entail me to move to NYC. I'm really resisting the idea, due to all the nonsense you have to deal with up there with gun licensing.

Given that I currently live in GA, where my permit allows me to carry just about anywhere, that would be a major change.

Not a chance here. I'd quit before moving there.

 

[Camster]

Sure,great advice,unless you're vastly outnumbered by those that want it the way that it is.

I always perplexed when gun enthusiasts refuse to sell guns to other gun enthusiasts in Kali, with the reason being that they should change the laws,and since they haven't,we're going to punish them too.That only supports the system and harms friends in sport.

 

[mpc]

6 months for a permit in NY is nothing. Some counties are pushing 2 year waits.