NY HOME POSESSION, RANGE PERMIT

[mortonjl]

I live in Syracuse and just got my ccw permit. My process was first I took the handgun safety course which is required at Runnings in clay. The next day I went to the sheriffs office downtown and got my application at which time they give you your "interview" date. The interview is just when you bring in the finished application and they go over it to make sure everything is complete. From there you call and make an appointment for fingerprints and background check, usually the next week. My interview was 3 weeks after I got the application at the sheriffs office. There are 4 judges that decide which permit you get, 3 are pro-gun and one is anti-gun. I have many friends who have never shot a handgun or really want to ccw but applied and got one of the 3 pro-gun judges and got their ccw. I also know people who work in the gun business and have jobs where it's needed and only got the sportsman permit because they got the wrong judge. Myself, I did get my ccw despite getting judge #4 only because I am ex-military and he made sure I know that from my permit letter. From the day I dropped my application off at the sheriffs office I got my permit letter in the mail 4 weeks later to the day so the whole process took 6 1/2 weeks from the day I took the handgun safety class. You can speed this up by going to the sheriffs office first and getting your interview date and doing the rest before you drop it off.
I'll add this, you mentioned she's a resident of NH? Pretty sure you have to be a resident of NY and specifically Onondaga county to get it here, and your 4 references also have to be residents of Onondaga county. Sorry for the long winded response, PM with any other questions.

 

[ruger 22]

Old cop, the answer to your question is a resounding NO! The biased press will tell you that the NYSafe Act which put in all sorts of rules is a great success. The real life statistics say nothing has changed. Now there is a push to have the State Police do a background check on anyone, EVERY TIME,he/she wants to buy ammo in any quantity. The NYS Police so far has not done so due to the massive resources needed not only to do on the spot checks but also for record keeping/retrieval. But what do you expect from a state that is way in red ink and now is giving free college to anyone whose family income is less than $125,000 per year. The NYS government is so far removed from reality it is a joke. So why not vote them out???Because there are a lot more people here on the dole than those that work for a living and all can vote.

 

[THREEDFLYER]

Holy smokes......I thought living on the LEFT COAST in the Seattle area was restrictive.....you guys in NY are living in freakin communism!!!
My suggestion, get the heck out of that place and quick! I recently moved down to Prescott Valley AZ and I can honestly say that I finally feel like I now live in AMERICA once more!

Good luck to you guys/gals and let me know when you need some info.....there is lots of room for you to relocate down this way!!

 

[Wise_A]

I live in Syracuse and just got my ccw permit.

Good write-up. I'd forgotten about the four personal references--what a nightmare that was! Sounds easy, until you remember that most of the people you know don't actually live in your county, and it's not like you want to broadcast to your neighbors that you're a gunny person.

And yes, there's a residency requirement. Another pita for recent transplants.

As for how bad Syracuse is--probably as bad as Albany. But it doesn't matter where you go, tbh. As soon as you get just a few miles away from the main arteries of the state (I-87, I-90, the Thruway, etc), the scenery gets very Rust Belt / Appalachia-like, and there are pockets of very bad people.

Case in point, where I fish, there's a house owned by a T.D. Waterhouse nephew or somesuch. From that guy's expansive driveway, I can drive about 10 minutes and take you to a house--trailer/shack, really--with a dirt floor, and a Nazi flag flying out front. The guy that lives there has a decent collection of rifles and carbines--at least a few of which are decidedly not-legal--and from what I know of him, is approximately 10-15% of my own personal Why I Carry.

The NYS R&P Association fought for decades to allow upstate shooters to enjoy their rights and hobby. What happened? The governor pushed an anti-assault rifle bill through the state legislature at night, I was told (please correct me if I am wrong). Here in Nevada, out-of-state provocateurs pushed for the Universal Background Check amendment. They allegedly collected over 200,000 signatures for the proposal to be placed on the ballot. I do not believe these signatures were either counted or checked for veracity. These were people not from NV. The initiative passed by about 10,000 votes, but has been blocked by the state Attorney General.

They passed it without reading it. It was so poorly-written, it didn't include a provision exempting the NYSP from the 7-round magazine limitation.

Don't give them a pass, however. The same Republicans voted last year to fund the NYSP database.

The fact of the matter is simple. The people whose ideology ruined NYC have moved north (and south, and west, and are coming to a city near you). The NRA will happily endorse anybody the Republican committees put forth, because there's no alternative. And the ones they nominate, endorse, and get elected, talk about "compromising" gun concerns for economic packages for the North country.

Literally, there is nobody looking out for us that won't sell us out in a heartbeat.

Make no mistake, it doesn't matter where you guys live--what happened to us up here is going to happen to you. Nevada and Colorado are just the start.

 

[Biggfoot44]

There are lots of fine Universities that are not in NY State.

 

[cd228]

NY is my Home of Record, I've my NY license since 1997, back when they gave them to 18 year olds. When I got mine it took a year to get.

The gentlemen, Mortonjl from Syracuse gave you an excellent run down. I would take him up on his offer of more info via PM. Unlike most folks that will pop up in a thread like this, he actually knows what he is talking about having just gone through it.

You/She needs to look into the residency requirements. Part 400 of the NYS Penal code doesn't require residency (It actually says an alien can get a license) but the local may. The difficult part will be the references, reread Mortonjl's post on that.

Another thing to consider is where she will be living. If it's the dorm, they may not be keen on her keeping firearms there. Also, NYS Penal Code section 265.01 makes it a class E felony to posses a weapon on College grounds without the schools permission. I suspect there are similar laws in other states.

Do not apply for a premise license, apply for concealed carry. The judge may restrict you to Hunting, fishing, camping and target shooting, but make them make the decision. When you put in for premise, you are restricting yourself.

That said the North Country is a great place for shooters and hunters, and there are a number of ranges in that area. I was stationed at FT Drum for a while and had a great time. I would tell you that snow tires are a very good investment.

 

[adwjc]

If I remember correctly it was after midnight on a Friday night, when most people were not paying attention, and right after the Newtown school shooting.
The Gov stuffed the pockets of a number of RINO's and majority leaders of the legislature, and voila, AWB.

The silver lining, minuscule as it may be, two of those crooks got indicted and convicted of financial malfeasance and are spending time in Federal care.

The other trick Cuomo used was the "Message of Necessity" so the three day waiting period was skipped and the bill went for an immediate vote. This was (using the old -" never let a tragedy go to waste" political scheme) immediately after the Newtown, Connecticut school shooting.

Funny, they already had it written, just waiting for the right emotional pressure point....

 

[DD357]

My manager is wanting me to take a promotion that would entail me to move to NYC. I'm really resisting the idea, due to all the nonsense you have to deal with up there with gun licensing.

Given that I currently live in GA, where my permit allows me to carry just about anywhere, that would be a major change.

Not a chance here. I'd quit before moving there.

 

[Camster]

Sure,great advice,unless you're vastly outnumbered by those that want it the way that it is.

I always perplexed when gun enthusiasts refuse to sell guns to other gun enthusiasts in Kali, with the reason being that they should change the laws,and since they haven't,we're going to punish them too.That only supports the system and harms friends in sport.

 

[mpc]

6 months for a permit in NY is nothing. Some counties are pushing 2 year waits.

 

[Camster]

Unlike some of the upstate counties, a Suffolk county PL holder doesn't have to buy or own a handgun.
Unlike some locales in the US, I can buy several handguns on the same day and have them in my possession,if I want to make the ride to PD HQ for the purchase orders.(which for me,is a bit of a schlep,as I live at the far end of the county)

 

[Wise_A]

Good point, Cam. We don't have weekly/monthly limits. Household transfers are also very easy and don't require an FFL, just a notary.

 

[Camster]

I always get a kick out of some who proclaim their state to be "free" but when you dig deeper it ain't quite so.
For instance, in NY we carried in bars all the time, not so in many "free" states.
Heck, I never paid a .01, nor "renewed" my NY permit for 30+ years besides the initial costs to get it. We always had lifetime permits. Most other states have renewal periods.
5 year recerts arestarting next year but still no fee.
No such thing as "free" when you need someone's permission to defend yourself.
ymmv

I've been renewing my Suffolk County NY PL every five years,starting from when I first got it in 1998. Bars are a no-no,though I've had mine with me in the restaurant section,on the way back from the range,rather than leave them in my station wagon in sketchy Riverhead.

 

[ladder13]

Whatever semblance of gun owning freedom that existed in NY started north of Westchester and Rockland counties.
Most counties north of that area one can obtain an unrestricted license, not one of those hunting and target shooting things.

 

[GypsmJim]

I'm a 5th generation (Western) New Yorker and proud of it. Our standard of living is great, our real estate prices low and cost of living reasonable. I was offered a move to NC with double the salary and turned it down. We are now retired on a beautiful mountainside in southern NY.

My pistol permit was issued in 1972. It took a long time back then because of the county I was in. Five years ago my wife got hers in 5 weeks and my son in 5 days. Overall, after owning countless handguns over 50 years, I'd have to say its not really that bad.

To the OP - NEVER move to NYC - that place is the only place worse than CA. Guns are only the tip of the iceberg.

 

[smoothshooter]

well as a life long NY resident...Pistol Permits take time...6 months is very common where i live...there is no way to rush it either....God Bless,John...what takes the time is the research they do when check you out...

What is it about living in NY that makes it worth a the **** residents have to put up with?
Seriously.

 

[Brksanman]

You New Yorkers need to replace your government.

As hard as we try, downstate will alway elect progressive idiots.

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[Brksanman]

Coming soon to upstate, NYC style licensing. I can't wait to retire and get the hell out

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[nachogrande]

IDK ABOUT SYRACUSE

It depends entirely on the county. Even what process you go through depends on what the judge and sheriff feel like doing.

In Albany Co, you have to appear before the judge to get a pistol permit. And you're not getting a carry. In other counties, it ranges from 6-12 months, contingent on a safety class. Up in Warren County, practically as rural as it gets, you can get a "Hunting and Target" pistol permit, but there's no way you're ever going to get a CCW.

In some counties, in order to buy/transfer, you have to buy the gun, take/mail the receipt to the sheriff's office for an amendment to your pistol permit, wait a while (I've had as little as 2 weeks, as long as a month and a half back in the Bad Old Days), get the amendment in the mail, and bring that back to the FFL.

In other counties nearby, the sheriff's office happily dispenses blank amendments--you buy the gun like normal, and drop off the filled-out amendment on your way home.

I would call around to some shops in the county and find out. Just because Syracuse is north of Suffolk County doesn't mean it doesn't suck out loud.

What I would not do is send the revolver up with her.

Another thing that can come in handy is a junk gun. Some counties require you to have a handgun purchased before you can even apply. So instead of plunking down $800 on a shiny, she can either pick out some $75 barely-working piece of garbage, or you can FFL said worthless piece of garbage to her. That way, while she's waiting on her permit, you guys have only got a cheap token gun sitting in the FFL's safe. When the permit comes through, then you buy/send the one you really want.

In Suffolk county 1983 it took me 8 months & you could not buy/possess until you had it, couldn't even bring handguns I owned in from CO. My work around was a Ruger black powder revolver, that was OK, then. Kinda big for a purse. I hope she's not on campus, That might be frowned upon. A CCL fuggedabowdit.

 

[Wise_A]

I got mine relatively quick, but I also got stupidly lucky.

First, an hour after I made my appointment to file my permit (three months in advance), the lady at the sheriff's office called back to offer me an appointment the next day--someone had dropped out at the last minute. So I had to rush to get my four references in order, but I got 'em.

Then I was able to slip into an NRA Basic Pistol class by making a couple calls and showing up unannounced at a class or two--"just in case" someone no-showed to one of those. The lady that did the scheduling took mercy on me and slotted me in two months after my filing.

A months after that and I had my fingerprint appointment. One more month, and the permit was in my grubby little hands.

 

[lgjhn]

No way in heck would I EVER live under such a repressive regime....no way.
*******' libs are insane.

 

[Brksanman]

As an extra bonus, handling a firearm without a permit makes you a felon. Another kick in the nuts

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[Jdavis]

It would seem that such restrictions and regulations would be a violation of 2nd amendment by making it difficult to exercise that right. When I lived in N.C., I thought that it was a pain to have to "buy" a handgun purchase permit and wait for the Sheriff's approval before making a purchase. Moved to Florida which has a three day wait for handguns unless you have a CCL which after the obligatory background check, allows you to take it home. Living in a free state is a blessing.

 

[NYlakesider]

In Suffolk county 1983 it took me 8 months & you could not buy/possess until you had it, couldn't even bring handguns I owned in from CO. My work around was a Ruger black powder revolver, that was OK, then. Kinda big for a purse. I hope she's not on campus, That might be frowned upon. A CCL fuggedabowdit.

Partially true as long as you have no powder, ball, caps for the black powder revolver. You have "the makings" in your dwelling or with you and you have the revolver it is in NY consider the same as a modern handgun and has to be on your pistol permit!

So a strict reading of the law if you have a BP rifle/shotgun you cannot have a BP pistol unless it is on your permit!

 

[GeoJelly]

Just a wee question - and, sorry, maybe a little bit off-topic! I assume you have to take the permit into an office each time? I've lived under a similar requirement when I was in Germany for many years. But, IIRC, since I had a sport shooter card, I could buy a pistol from the Rod & Gun Club then take the permit down town and have them add it to the card. In Germany, at that time, the permit (Waffenbesitzkarte or WBK) was a green card with room for, maybe, 10 handguns. The office had to send the WBK to Cologne for the pistol info to be added onto the card. The one tiny advantage of being old is I don't think I have to worry about seeing such a system here in VA ... I hope!!

I found an old copy of one side of my WBK - the Ruger GP-100 was a very sad story - I had to turn it in for (supposedly) destruction ...

 

[NYlakesider]

Just a wee question - and, sorry, maybe a little bit off-topic! I assume you have to take the permit into an office each time? I've lived under a similar requirement when I was in Germany for many years. But, IIRC, since I had a sport shooter card, I could buy a pistol from the Rod & Gun Club then take the permit down town and have them add it to the card. In Germany, at that time, the permit (Waffenbesitzkarte or WBK) was a green card with room for, maybe, 10 handguns. The office had to send the WBK to Cologne for the pistol info to be added onto the card. The one tiny advantage of being old is I don't think I have to worry about seeing such a system here in VA ... I hope!!

In NY state you have to get a amendment signed by a judge or designated pistol permit clerk to possesses you new handgun. Dependent on what county you are in that could take from minuets to a month or more. In my county its usual within a week.

 

[GypsmJim]

In NY state you have to get a amendment signed by a judge or designated pistol permit clerk to possesses you new handgun. Dependent on what county you are in that could take from minuets to a month or more. In my county its usual within a week.

In my county its immediate. A few months ago I bought a new handgun, got the bill of sale, drove to the pistol permit office and registered it and then went back to the gun store and picked it up. Total time 2 hours.

 

[GypsmJim]

What is it about living in NY that makes it worth a the **** residents have to put up with?
Seriously.

Pistol permits are actually easy peasy. As long as you are not a felon, as it should be. But pistol permits are only one thing that we have to contend with, but to call it a hassle....?.

Our State parks are awesome and most open to hunting. Our state lands are open to hunting and fishing everywhere. Our scenery is beautiful, our weather optimum, our cost of living reasonable and the state services are better than most. If you are a sportsman, NY is the place to be.

We hunt and shoot in our backyard. Pristine bass waters are only 2 miles away. Since this is a sportsman's site I won't bother to go into the other social amenities available.

But what makes NY the best is our people - you won't find a finer bunch anywhere.

Am I happy here? - yes. Would I move? - no. When i was working i was a world traveler and I have never found a place that was better.

Now, a caveat.....I speak of NY State. NY City is a world of its own and only a fool would live there...

 

[nachogrande]

AS I RECALL

Partially true as long as you have no powder, ball, caps for the black powder revolver. You have "the makings" in your dwelling or with you and you have the revolver it is in NY consider the same as a modern handgun and has to be on your pistol permit!

So a strict reading of the law if you have a BP rifle/shotgun you cannot have a BP pistol unless it is on your permit!

This was the 80's, I bought the BP pistol (in NY) prior to the permit. No issues buying primers/powder/bullets, later and there was a cooling off period (for the gun). Cuz you know if you want to commit a crime/murder, black powder is always your first choice. No problemo shooting it at Calverton, Huntington range you weren't allowed in the pistol section without your license. Then I added the BP pistol to my license when I finally got it. No rifles or shotguns were ever listed, (on the pistol permit) but I'm sure records existed. If I was illegal, oh well, I did my best. & the kicker, the handguns I had to leave in CO waiting for my permit, got stolen! So much for going by the book, which of course I do, but don't have to like it. Things MAY HAVE changed in 35 some years.

 

[NYlakesider]

This was the 80's, I bought the BP pistol (in NY) prior to the permit. No issues buying primers/powder/bullets, later and there was a cooling off period (for the gun). Cuz you know if you want to commit a crime/murder, black powder is always your first choice. No problemo shooting it at Calverton, Huntington range you weren't allowed in the pistol section without your license. Then I added the BP pistol to my license when I finally got it. No rifles or shotguns were ever listed, (on the pistol permit) but I'm sure records existed. If I was illegal, oh well, I did my best. & the kicker, the handguns I had to leave in CO waiting for my permit, got stolen! So much for going by the book, which of course I do, but don't have to like it. Things MAY HAVE changed in 35 some years.

To the best of my knowledge there never was a problem buying black powder (if in small quantities) caps or BP projectiles. Same for BP pistols just go and buy them the sticky wicket came when you also had the means to make it fire. Then it has to be on a permit to be legal.

I bought 3 pistols, 2 right over the counter (a local K mart) but I never had the powder,ball or caps. Two of them were kits I assembled and then sold never firing them, this was in the late 70s early 80s. The other one was for sale at a garage sale and I bought it cheap and sold it. Never owned a BP long gun.

Yes I agree NY laws tend to be rather convoluted.