9mm v Bear again

[BearBio]

"This Alaskan guide took a bear with 9mm Buffalo Bore +P.
If I go into into Bar Country with a 9 Thrillameter,
I want to be with this guy!"

All this proves is God takes care of fools!

Grizzlies basically want to remove a threat. Once they are convinced the threat is neutralized, they're happy!

MALE black bears will attack for food. They're not happy until you pass through them!

 

[rick1085]

Though they both contain the same active ingredient — oleoresin capsicum, bear spray contains a much lower concentration. A typical pepper spray used for self defense will have an oleoresin capsicum (OC) concentration of about 10% or higher. A typical bear spray has a oleoresin concentration of about 1 – 2 %.

 

[woodsltc]

I'm certainly no expert or have any experience with Grizzlies....but if I owned a better weapon to use other than a 9mm I think I certainly would have taken it with me (the reason he gave for not taking his M-629 .44mag was pretty lame IMO).

I think this guy was extremely lucky to have killed/stopped this bear before it got to his clients.

Very poor judgement on the guides part. I would not want to book a trip with this guy.

Don

 

[rburg]

This spring there was a kid who used his 870 (new) to do a pretty good job at close range. This is not an ad for Remington, but 12 gauge seems to have some attractive features when facing Yogi. I think I kind of dislike the recoil of slugs, but I understand its necessary.

 

[shouldazagged]

I'm an RPG and jet pack man myself.

 

[kwselke]

A 9 x 19 semi-auto against an angry Brown Bear? Prayer works too. Sometimes the Lord is with you.

 

[BearBio]

"This spring there was a kid who used his 870 (new) to do a pretty good job at close range. This is not an ad for Remington, but 12 gauge seems to have some attractive features when facing Yogi. I think I kind of dislike the recoil of slugs, but I understand its necessary."

That was NOT an attack. The bear knocked two or three adults out of the way. The bear was trying to escape. I did my MS Thesis on bear behavior in 1998 and was charged once.

"Though they both contain the same active ingredient — oleoresin capsicum, bear spray contains a much lower concentration. A typical pepper spray used for self defense will have an oleoresin capsicum (OC) concentration of about 10% or higher. A typical bear spray has a oleoresin concentration of about 1 – 2 %."

That is TRUE but misleading sales propaganda. Bear sprays are rated Class I to Class III for human sprays. Bear sprays are the next step up! The "concentration" may be a greater proportion of a weaker pepper liquid. You may have 10% of 10,000 Scovill Heat Units or 2% of 2,000,000 SCU strength pepper spray=That would be a dose of 1000 SCU/can vs 4,000,000 SCU/can.

"Is the 5% OC worse than tear gas. We did the tent drill where we walked into the tent with our gas masks on and them took them off and had to stand there for some length of time.

I didn't enjoy that at all. "

Been through both, as well as police mace (mace and CS were during training; dog spray was accidental). Dog spray was the worse.

 

[Absalom]

If you wanna feel like you just fell into the depths of hell! I was sprayed with 5% OC (standard police stuff) in the academy 21+ years ago. It SUCKED! I'll never forget that. I don't even like using OC on the job because it goes EVERYWHERE! But, it is effective on criminals & the bear formula is far worse.

My favorite bear spray video. Note that the stuff comes out in a fairly strong concentrated stream. Even wind may reduce the range a bit, but it will still get there.

Too many people (who don't trust it) envision gentle puffs of matter like from a hairspray can, which is also why they worry overmuch about wind. That's not what real bear spray looks at all. Personally, I've only emptied expired cans for practice (while wearing a surplus Israeli gas mask ), but that stream is really quite impressive and goes a ways before dissipating.

[ame]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YTcqhhAnE88[/ame]

 

[Nevada Ed]

You don't need no stinking bullets.............. !!

Years ago on a "Now you know the rest of the story".......
a hunter was gutting out a deer he killed on a Island south of Alaska that he had taken with his rifle.

A Bear came at him to get either him or the deer and he did not have time to reach his rifle.
After a battle the hunter came out on top.......still able to walk
and now with two dead animals.

The kicker was............
the hunter was in his Sixties !!

 

[Frank237]

We have anti spam software, anti virus software...isn't there any anti bear thread software?

 

[CAJUNLAWYER]

You are correct....But remember: black bears and grizzlies are two different birds. Black bears can climb trees and tend to flee when they're challenged or hurt. Grizzlies can't climb trees, but they're bigger, meaner and far more committed to the attack than black bears ever are. Hell, they kill just for fun sometimes, both humans and critters. Any device that will deter or kill a griz is a good thing. But comparing them to their smaller more common cousins is dangerous.

With that said, I carry a 40 with the same type rounds; 200gr. hard cast solids or a .357 Magnum. Both have a slight edge over a 9mm. I'll give the old guy credit, he did the best he could with what he had.

How do you know? Perhaps it is because the areas Grizzlies live are devoid of climbable trees so they just don't get the chance? I bet given a chance a polar bear could shinny up a tree it it wanted to but again they really have no practice given the maritime enviroment within which they live. You want to ensure against grizzly bear attacks? Spray yourself with boiled human urine-the bear can't stand the smell and will give you a wide berth. Trust me on this one-In all the years I've used it, I have NEVER and I mean NEVER come across a grizzly in the marsh.

 

[codenamedave]

A classic case of getting jaded, or acclimated, or whatever the behavioral psychologists call it. "Just a bunch of male bears? No need to take the bigger handgun."

Is the 5% OC worse than tear gas. We did the tent drill where we walked into the tent with our gas masks on and them took them off and had to stand there for some length of time.

I didn't enjoy that at all.

Don't know what the % rating was on the OC, but I've been exposed to CN, CS, and OC, and the OC was the worst. The others just felt like struggling to breathe through nasty smoke, the OC made me feel like I couldn't breathe. Or see!

Pharmacist fights back with bear spray - YouTube

I thought using bear (or hornet) spray on a human was against the law? Wonder if she got arrested, or maybe the cops took pity on her. Probably depend on what part of WA she was in. In this instance it'd be hard to claim that you just grabbed what was handy and didn't buy the spray with the intent of using it on humans. Also it's surprising that the perp was able to thread his way through the store and out the door at a run, apparently his vision and breathing weren't very impaired. Wonder if the reason he took off was because there was resistance, rather than being shut down by the effects of the spray.

 

[crsides]

Bella Twin killed record grizzly with single shot 22 in 1953.

 

[Absalom]

......Also it's surprising that the perp was able to thread his way through the store and out the door at a run, apparently his vision and breathing weren't very impaired. Wonder if the reason he took off was because there was resistance, rather than being shut down by the effects of the spray.

I think the fraction of a second of spray that hits him before his protective reflexes kick in and he uses his arms and hands to protect his face (all not available to a moving bear) and almost instantaneously turns away and runs, make it unrealistic to expect the spray to "shut him down" immediately to the point of bring so disoriented he wouldn't know where to get out anymore.

 

[petepeterson]

Lighten up, Francises....

Why does everyone get so uptight about bear threads?

There are only so many things to talk about, and there are thousands of people chatting on here daily. Your finger has the built-in option of not clicking on them.

I walk in the woods a good bit. I would guess that I'm statistically more likely to be attacked by a bear than by the 40 AK-wielding terrorists that everyone seems comfortable discussing how to defend against. And I tote a 9mm or .38 a good bit.

I understand that revolver vs. auto, 9mm vs. .45, etc. have been beat into the ground, but what injury is it doing to the folks that don't want to read them? And how do the folks that post " Gee, another bear thread..." get on that thread in the first place? Everyone here was here for the first time, once.

Life's too short to sweat the small stuff.

 

[BearBio]

"How do you know? Perhaps it is because the areas Grizzlies live are devoid of climbable trees so they just don't get the chance? I bet given a chance a polar bear could shinny up a tree it it wanted to but again they really have no practice given the maritime enviroment within which they live. You want to ensure against grizzly bear attacks? Spray yourself with boiled human urine-the bear can't stand the smell and will give you a wide berth. Trust me on this one-In all the years I've used it, I have NEVER and I mean NEVER come across a grizzly in the marsh. "

Caj: Probably make good birth control, also! Ever have a woman come on to you while wearing your concoction in a marsh?

Actually, there is a biological/evolutionary reason for black bears climbing trees and grizzlies not. Biologically, black bears are often lighter in weight (not always), and have curved claws. Grizzlies have straight claws (for digging=that's the reason for the big hump between the shoulders. Polar bear bears are curved but in a different way (Caveat: I've only examined one set of polar bear claws) in order to grip the ice.

Evolution-wise, black bears evolved in the forest where trees were/are abundant. Evolution would favor female bears that sent the cubs up trees to safety over aggressive moms, whose cubs would get caught and eaten. Grizzlies evolved on the plains, without trees (They later fled mankind and retreated to the wilderness areas). Evolution favored the mothers who FEROCIOUSLY stood their ground! In each case, the mothers who survived would be most likely to pass their genes down.

 

[Arik]

I don't worry too much about which handgun caliber is best in bear country. Instead of looking at what someone got lucky with why not just bring the biggest baddest thing you can?! When I hike in Pa woods I bring a 7.62mm semi auto rifle. It's not a 45/70 or a 600 nitro but an intermediate 30 cal round in semi auto with 30 rounds and another 30 as back up!

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[JSR III]

Another bear thread......

 

[codenamedave]

"How do you know? Perhaps it is because the areas Grizzlies live are devoid of climbable trees so they just don't get the chance? I bet given a chance a polar bear could shinny up a tree it it wanted to but again they really have no practice given the maritime enviroment within which they live. You want to ensure against grizzly bear attacks? Spray yourself with boiled human urine-the bear can't stand the smell and will give you a wide berth. Trust me on this one-In all the years I've used it, I have NEVER and I mean NEVER come across a grizzly in the marsh. "

Caj: Probably make good birth control, also! Ever have a woman come on to you while wearing your concoction in a marsh?

Actually, there is a biological/evolutionary reason for black bears climbing trees and grizzlies not. Biologically, black bears are often lighter in weight (not always), and have curved claws. Grizzlies have straight claws (for digging=that's the reason for the big hump between the shoulders. Polar bear bears are curved but in a different way (Caveat: I've only examined one set of polar bear claws) in order to grip the ice.

Evolution-wise, black bears evolved in the forest where trees were/are abundant. Evolution would favor female bears that sent the cubs up trees to safety over aggressive moms, whose cubs would get caught and eaten. Grizzlies evolved on the plains, without trees (They later fled mankind and retreated to the wilderness areas). Evolution favored the mothers who FEROCIOUSLY stood their ground! In each case, the mothers who survived would be most likely to pass their genes down.

Saw a little jingle about what to do in the presence of various types of bears:

If it's black, fight back.
If it's brown, lie down.
If it's white: Good night.

 

[Out West]

Though they both contain the same active ingredient — oleoresin capsicum, bear spray contains a much lower concentration. A typical pepper spray used for self defense will have an oleoresin capsicum (OC) concentration of about 10% or higher. A typical bear spray has a oleoresin concentration of about 1 – 2 %.

So bear spray has less of the stuff that repels the attacker than the stuff used on humans? Wonder why?