Are firearm accessories like this really necessary?

[Muss Muggins]

I had a Street Sweeper, and sold it in a month. It had a cross bolt safety. I'm left handed, and my trigger finger laid right across the safety. Every time I fired it, I activated the safety. Also, to load or unload it, you cycled the drum by pulling the trigger. I didn't like pulling the trigger 12 times, and it took forever.

Horribly designed firearm . . .

I like it, though I don't see myself wanting one.

Since you brought up the comparison to "Street Sweepers", there are times when an average citizen would want one of those also.

When the Rodney King Riots started, some of my night shift coworkers started getting calls from their wives about roving gangs in their neighborhoods. These were not gun owners, but they wanted to leave work to get guns and go protect their families.

Their was a waiting period in LA, so a knowledgeable coworker suggested they go to his LGS in Orange county, where they could buy arms without waiting.

After the riots ended and they returned to work, I asked what arms they chose. Three of them bought Street Sweepers, though others would have, but their were no more in stock.
So for this group of aerospace designers, a hi-cap shotgun was the right tool for the job at hand.

 

[bigwheelzip]

I had a Street Sweeper, ....Horribly designed firearm . . .

Benelli makes good stuff. Ya gittin a hankerin for the M2 XRail?

 

[Absalom]

What I buy is my business. I don't need to justify it to anyone else but myself.

It is to a point, BUT it stops being your business if you (and I don't mean you personally here) expect others to defend your right to buy whatever and declare them traitors to the 2nd Amendment if they don't, even if your item is ethically questionable and politically can actually threaten gun rights. And it is the latter which the OP addressed.

 

[SquarePizza]

I just have one question....

How many mini shells can it hold?! =)

 

[TTSH]

There is that "need" word again. I keep seeing it a lot lately. Seems that a lot of folks want to change the "Bill of Rights" to the "Bill of Needs"... why is that?

 

[Arik]

A 26-Round 12 Gauge: Benelli M2 XRail - GunsAmerica Digest

A 26 round capacity 12 gauge shotgun by Benelli. At the risk of being excoriated by those who believe we should just because we can, why in the world do we need things like this in the current social and political environment?

I mean, I know I have the right to walk up to my boss and tell him I think he's a buffoon, if I think that to be true, but it isn't really in my long term best interest, now is it? That's how I feel about accessories and gimmicky stuff like this for firearms. When the gun industry advertises things like "street sweepers", Mrs. Soccer Mom just thinks all gun owners must be crazed. Bump stocks fall in to the same category in my mind.

Yeah, might be fun, once, to touch off a whole box of shells without reloading, but seriously these typed of things are just bad PR for gun owners. Thirty round magazines on an AR, I get it, that's the military configuration. easy to defend, just like the en bloc clips for the M1 Garand, that's how they were originally, so that's how so that's how I want mine.

Any one else here think the same way, or is it "I'm allowed, so to hell with what the rest of the world thinks"?

The thing is you think that Mrs Soccer mom is bothered by that accessory. She's not, she's bothered by the gun. Some people don't even want cops to have guns.

What about when Mrs Soccer mom is afraid of a folding or expanding stock? My AKs have folding stocks and my ARs have collapsible stocks. They are just as scary. Remember that thing that goes up? What about pistol grips? The 94 AWB banned all scary features.... remember that?

Yes silly gimmick. Plenty of them. Including the Slide Fire, lasers, Shockwaves, Taurus Judge, S&W Governor, door breaching muzzle devices, and many many other ones. I'm sure you own something I think is a gimmick too.

I think some of you guys can't get past the Garand. Anything made after is just useless junk. I want pistol grips and muzzle brakes and folding stocks which some think are scary! I'm NOT interested in guns from a 100 years ago. No interest in "Grandpa's hunting rifle". So if someone wants to own that contraption I'm fine with it

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[Rustyt1953]

I support anyone's right to own one.

In my case, my shoulder would give out long before the shells did.

 

[500SNW]

To me, rather than being "unnecessary" by some people's definition...it is simply one more example of the technological evolution of firearms. In the 1860's you didn't hear anyone complaining about Henry Rifles and their "excessive" ammo capacity and high rate of fire. Ever since the mid-19th Century there has been a drive to increase a weapons power and firepower aka capacity+rate of fire. Why is it suddenly a problem for some gun enthusiasts? As for the Antis, naturally they aren't going to like it, but it is a bit disturbing to hear all the "friendly fire" coming from our own side.

 

[Beemerguy53]

Reading the comments on this thread, I think a lot of folks have missed the OP's point.

Regardless of whether or not you have the right to own something -- or think you have the right to own something -- does that make it a good idea to own it? Is it in our best interests as gun owners to buy something like this?

Do some of you guys realize what is going on right now in this country? In the wake of last week's Las Vegas shooting, there are millions of Americans who are questioning the value of the 2nd Amendment. Some pundits are openly calling for its repeal. Some elected officials from both parties are backing away from their support for gun owners, and talking about new gun laws as if the Heller decision never happened. (Here in the Peoples' Republic of Maryland, our state legislators are tripping over each other rushing to file bills to ban "bump stocks" and similar devices.)

With all that in mind, is this really a good time to tout a device like this X-Rail? How smart is it to basically spit in the eye of people who don't think like us and tell them that we are going to do what we want to do, just because we can, whether it upsets them or not?

I swear, sometimes we are our own worst enemies...

 

[Arik]

Reading the comments on this thread, I think a lot of folks have missed the OP's point.

Regardless of whether or not you have the right to own something -- or think you have the right to own something -- does that make it a good idea to own it? Is it in our best interests as gun owners to buy something like this?

Do some of you guys realize what is going on right now in this country? In the wake of last week's Las Vegas shooting, there are millions of Americans who are questioning the value of the 2nd Amendment. Some pundits are openly calling for its repeal. Some elected officials from both parties are backing away from their support for gun owners, and talking about new gun laws as if the Heller decision never happened. (Here in the Peoples' Republic of Maryland, our state legislators are tripping over each other rushing to file bills to ban "bump stocks" and similar devices.)

With all that in mind, is this really a good time to tout a device like this X-Rail? How smart is it to basically spit in the eye of people who don't think like us and tell them that we are going to do what we want to do, just because we can, whether it upsets them or not?

I swear, sometimes we are our own worst enemies...

Ok and WHEN the next one happens should we stop making those types too? What if the next guy uses a ported revolver? Or a grip laser! Then what?

The old AWB banned scary accessories. We already had that.

You are correct though. We are our own worst enemy. Whe will continue to go backwards at every shooting so as not to ruffle feathers. They'll find another buzz word and we'll concede since the avg American thinks 2A is about hunting and they typical hunting weapons are a shotgun and a bolt action rifle

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[SweetMK]

My Benelli M1 cost me $550,, and holds 9 shells.
That is enough for me thank you!!

If I had purchased three of them, they would hold 27 shells,,,
and would have cost me less than half of what that attachment cost.

Hmmmmmmmmmm,,,,,,,,,,

 

[Fishslayer]

Once the .gov establishes that it CAN dictate the number of rounds you are allowed, it's much easier to adjust that number down to zero. I mean... it's "reasonable, common sense," right?

 

[gman51]

Well I don't see a need for 600 horsepower Corvette or Camaro for street driving either but people sure pay the big bucks to have one.

LOL Like they say it's better to have one and not need it than to need it and not have it. If I need chase down an airplane on the runway that 600 hp Corvette might be good to have.

Can anyone imagine what your shoulder would look and feel like after shooting 25 rounds? I bet they don't do that again. I wonder will they make a bump stock for this gun? I don't even see being able to keep on target with that.

If the need arises for multiple shots then at least you have it ready to go. A whole box of ammo would sure add some weight to the gun for sure. I don't see people in line at the door waiting to get one.

 

[susieqz]

i'm looking for a double barrel, because i can't imagine needing more than 2 shots.
but, if you need more, get what you need.

yes, a high capacity shotgun could be used in a terrorist attack, but we cannot n must not let this control our actions n decisions.

 

[Beemerguy53]

My Benelli M1 cost me $550,, and holds 9 shells. That is enough for me thank you!!...

My Mossberg 590 holds nine rounds as well. I chuckle when I see that bayonet lug...if you have a social problem you can't solve with 9 rounds of 00 buckshot, you don't need a bayonet; you need running shoes!

 

[Arik]

What about this? These have been out since the late 90s. 12G shotgun. 10, 20 round drums and 10 round mags

The whole thing should be illegal. A scary folding stock, scary mags and scary barrel shroud which does absolutely nothing

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[ChattanoogaPhil]

The "current social and political climate" regarding historical statues is resulting in violence and even death. I don't 'need' a statue. Tear the damn things down to satisfy the current social and political climate, right?

Boys, once you start bending over for the political climate of the day you might as well just stay bent over.

 

[StakeOut]

I think I'll get one to tote around the house fully loaded. .It may be good for the abs.and the 6 pack I lost a while back.

 

[Beemerguy53]

Once the .gov establishes that it CAN dictate the number of rounds you are allowed, it's much easier to adjust that number down to zero. I mean... it's "reasonable, common sense," right?

The horse has left the barn on this issue, my friend. Many states currently limit magazine capacity. The ATF has authority over aspects of firearms design. Here in Maryland, a government entity called the Handgun Roster Board reviews and approves which handgun designs can be sold here. Manufacturers have had to create special designs for sale in California in order to meet that state's gun laws.

The 2nd Amendment is not unrestricted, regardless of what we might want to believe. Both the federal and state governments have placed any number of conditions and restrictions on our right to keep and bear arms.

An "in-your-face" attitude toward the government and our non-gun-owning countrymen is not the right tactic for us to employ at this time, in my opinion...

 

[Rustyt1953]

I once rented an $1100 Scotty Cameron putter. It did nothing for my game. The pro shop was back-ordered on them.

Nothing to do with 'need'.