How Many Will YOU Buy!!??

[Watchdog]

Good stuff from the CMP.

It's a good thing you already have those rifles from the CMP. As I mentioned earlier, there won't be any more M1s.

 

[Mike SC Hunter]

It's a good thing you already have those rifles from the CMP. As I mentioned earlier, there won't be any more M1s.

M1's are for sale at the south store(Anniston) right now. Go to CMP web site. Click forums and read the reports(almost daily) from the the south store.

The old days were great. When they "buzzed" you into the sale room the smell of cosmoline would fill your nostrils......Racks upon racks of carbines, M1's, Springfields, HXP 30/06 ammo and such.....They are still getting a dribble of M1's from the army and there is rumor of carbines & M1's coming back from the Phillipines.......So. Don't write "em" off yet.

 

[the ringo kid]

I like my 1911's. But, I do not see this possible upcoming availability as much of an opportunity to snare a nice rare piece for $1000.
If you have checked out the CMP site in the last year or so, you likely have noticed that the 'desirable' items are put up at auction. And when you see some of the prices being paid, you will realize that there are people out there with pockets much deeper than many of us have.
In the 1911 community there have been vibes that this (supposed) release of stocks will negatively impact the 1911 collectors by deflating prices. I don't see it that way, when the banter is that they will be going out the door for $1000. That price, if at all accurate, will most likely be for common pieces in average condition. The good stuff will command high prices and perhaps even create a feeding frenzy. Your best bet may be to try to find one locally or at a gun show for what a reasonable price today actually is. I define 'reasonable' as the price at which the things are normally actually changing hands. And as we know, all of them are not created equal.

For the above, ill just stick to my two Auto Ordnance .45s. They are new manufacturers--but I AINT--paying an arm, leg and some-ones first newborn-to that agency who SHOULD-be letting the common folk--get something good-for a good price. Instead of--tending to the deep=pocketed ones first........

 

[jsfricks]

As of 11/20/2017 the bill is waiting on the Presidents signature and then it's a done deal.

Congress passes spending bill that includes selling milsurp 1911s through CMP

 

[Watchdog]

M1's are for sale at the south store(Anniston) right now. Go to CMP web site. Click forums and read the reports(almost daily) from the the south store.

I see what you're referring to on their forum. But then on their sales page, I see this for the M1 Carbine:

"CMP's Carbine inventory has been exhausted and we do not expect to receive any additional shipments."

And for the M1903/M1903A3, they say this:

"Currently M1903 and M1903A3 models are not available and CMP is not accepting orders."

So I'm not sure what CMP means when they say they aren't "accepting orders"...because you can't order firearms from them online, via fax, or by phone, anyway.

They apparently do have some Garands available.

What I'd suggest to anyone considering a trip to Anniston is to call first and get an up to date idea of what's available in their inventory, rather than relying on what's seen online.

They are still getting a dribble of M1's from the army and there is rumor of carbines & M1's coming back from the Phillipines.......So. Don't write "em" off yet.

I've heard that scuttlebutt about the rifles from the Phillipines...and from Korea as well. Even if that happened, with all the paperwork and evaluating and refurbishing that'd be needed, it'd be years before any became available to us...just like the thing with the 1911s. I personally don't anticipate the 1911s becoming available before 2020...or maybe 2019 at the earliest.

What do you think?

I'd like to have a M1903 or M1903A3. I have no earthly use for one, and I'm no collector of militaria, but it's just one of those things I'd like to have, you know?

 

[Watchdog]

I like my 1911's. But, I do not see this possible upcoming availability as much of an opportunity to snare a nice rare piece for $1000.

I won't quote your entire comment, because I just want to say I agree with you 100%.

 

[Watchdog]

As far as I'm concerned I would not be a buyer for the 1911's. I found out that the last new 1911's the gov bought was in 1943...

The U.S. government was still buying 1911A1s for use in WWII in 1944 and 1945.

No one on roving patrol carried one, they rattled, were unreliable, and dangerous-to say nothing about the lack of accuracy. We all had revolvers that we had to find on our own.

This thing about the 1911 "rattling" has been talked about and rehashed almost ever since the pistol was invented...and most people seem to look at this as if it's some sort of defect in the pistol. Without saying the same thing over and over, I'll just say nothing could be further from the truth.

One of my best friends served in Vietnam and was issued an Ithaca 1911A1 as his sidearm. He carried it on patrol throughout his entire tour, and used it often. He credits the pistol for saving his life on two occasions, and says he once ran through a full magazine immediately after having dropped the pistol in the water during a river crossing. I have no reason to doubt him.

 

[Rule3]

The CMP has a few overpriced Garands.

As to 1911's they are VaporWare.

Direct from their website.
11/22/17 - Latest update on the 1911’s….. Because of the limited number and the exceedingly high demand for the pistol, and the great level of Congressional scrutiny, the Board of Directors will make a decision regarding how sales will be handled. We have no further information at this time. – Mrs. Judith Legerski, Chairman, CMP Board of Directors
10/11/17 An update on the 1911’s…
We are waiting patiently and quietly to see how the NDAA 2018 turns out. All prescribed steps have been taken by CMP to fulfill the mandated requirements for receipt of the 1911s from the United States Army. CMP is in a constant state of readiness. The CMP has no further information at this time.
Thank you,
Mark Johnson
Chief Operating Officer




"Good Luck and may the odds be forever in your favor"

 

[codenamedave]

On the price rumors, posters on another forum have said that the CMP themselves stated that rack grades would be $1,000, didn't see a link, though.

No thanks!

 

[jmace57]

I guess I need to get a "Nasty Civilian" t-shirt after reading that article.

 

[reddog81]

The CMP has a few overpriced Garands.

As to 1911's they are VaporWare.
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If you think the CMP Garands are overpriced, try buying one anywhere else. Every auction, gun shop or gun show sale I've seen has Garands priced $100 to $400 more than the CMP.

The 1911's have been vaporware for the last couple of years, but I'd bet in 2018 we will see some come up for sale. At this point it's all but guaranteed they will be transferred. Sorting and grading them isn't rocket science. Once the CMP gets them it'll be all hands on deck to start getting them up for sale.

I hope everyone who says they aren't buying one, stays true to their word because it will make it easier for me to get one.

 

[sigp220.45]

If you think the CMP Garands are overpriced, try buying one anywhere else. Every auction, gun shop or gun show sale I've seen has Garands priced $100 to $400 more than the CMP.

The 1911's have been vaporware for the last couple of years, but I'd bet in 2018 we will see some come up for sale. At this point it's all but guaranteed they will be transferred. Sorting and grading them isn't rocket science. Once the CMP gets them it'll be all hands on deck to start getting them up for sale.

I hope everyone who says they aren't buying one, stays true to their word because it will make it easier for me to get one.

I agree. All the hard work on making the 1911 sale possible has been done, despite all of the “it will never happen” predictions. CMP is funded by sales, and 10,000 1911s at a grand each is a cool 10 million bucks of operating capital.

To answer the OP’s question - 1. A thousand bucks for a genuine GI 1911 is a decent deal these days. The last one I bought was $1800.

I’ve gotten 4 Garands, an O3, and a Remington 40X from CMP over the years. I haven’t been disappointed yet.

 

[Bakebfr480]

Rotsa ruck!

 

[the ringo kid]

If you think the CMP Garands are overpriced, try buying one anywhere else. Every auction, gun shop or gun show sale I've seen has Garands priced $100 to $400 more than the CMP.

The 1911's have been vaporware for the last couple of years, but I'd bet in 2018 we will see some come up for sale. At this point it's all but guaranteed they will be transferred. Sorting and grading them isn't rocket science. Once the CMP gets them it'll be all hands on deck to start getting them up for sale.

I hope everyone who says they aren't buying one, stays true to their word because it will make it easier for me to get one.

There are still some good gun show deals out there. I know a guy who is from Austin-who has his dads collection and brings several with him to every gun show. Most are around $800-$900-some more-but are nice and correct. CMP--is full of BS when it comes to their version of prices. My thing is-is I never have enough money to pick up one of this guys Garands-or either I had just picked up something else for $550-ish-and cant afford another gun at that time.

 

[Drm50]

They ought to give Vetrans 1st option to buy one for $1. Then
turn them loose on the dealers. I ain't paying $1000 for a clunk
1911. I remember as late as 1970, a new 1911 could be had for
$100 and a GI was hard to get $40 on trade in a shop. The 1911
M1 and M1.carbine craze didn't hit till 80s.

 

[kbm6893]

I’ve bought three Service grade Garands in the last five years. First was $675. Second was $710 I believe. Third was $760 I think. Fair prices for all of them. They are all in fine shape. But they’re overpriced now. And a dwindling supply shouldn’t raise the prices. Prices going up every year.

Sorry, but the mission of the CMP to promote marksmanship is long gone. I don’t care about the traveling air rifle range they have. I don’t care about their two stores. I’ll never see any of them as most of us won’t. They are in the business to make a profit now. So a $1000 beater 1911? They can keep them.

 

[RoninPhx]

there is a lot of misinformation in this thread.
i think the 1911's are stored at anniston
ffl or not, you are not going to stroll into a store and buy firearms without meeting the other requirements.
Cmp still conducts shoots, such as the western regional shoot in phoenix at ben avery.
the handgun was never designed to be a bullseye shooter. some are loose yes, but not all of them.
not all those guns in korea were "lent" to them. they bought some, and would not come back through the cmp.
as to the prices, if you don't like the price, don't attempt to buy one, end of story. As to the lessor produced ones, forget it. Absolutely guarantee if one of the singers is in there, it isn't going for 1000 when a real one is probably around 30k these days.
Funny, when i was buying garands at 175 bucks, and not the rebuilt ones with new barrels, wood, etc. I was told they were overpriced then too.
i remember the white bag carbines at about 350bucks, immaculate condition, guess they were overpriced too. I have never really been a seller, but really funny when someone tells me they want to buy something i have, but they want the same price i paid for it 30years ago. there are floating around out there correct firearms and unfired since manufacture. I have handled a few. if it's possible to check completed auctions on the cmp website you would be shocked at what they went for. One thing that the cmp guns have and will have is a birth certificate stating it came from the cmp. Interesting enough in a different age 1911's were sold through the NRA for about 20bucks.

 

[RoninPhx]

I’ve bought three Service grade Garands in the last five years. First was $675. Second was $710 I believe. Third was $760 I think. Fair prices for all of them. They are all in fine shape. But they’re overpriced now. And a dwindling supply shouldn’t raise the prices. Prices going up every year.

Sorry, but the mission of the CMP to promote marksmanship is long gone. I don’t care about the traveling air rifle range they have. I don’t care about their two stores. I’ll never see any of them as most of us won’t. They are in the business to make a profit now. So a $1000 beater 1911? They can keep them.

over priced? well that kind of depends. there were about 7million i think carbines manufactured, estimated maybe 1million left in circulation. WWII and korea were a long time ago. A lot of the stuff you see circulating is misparted, shot out, and just showing the effects of time passing. Still aren't cheap. Having said that if you have the books, the knowlege, and know what you are looking at, there are still gems floating around. as to dwindling supplies shouldn't raise prices? I think that was a mistype. When the blue sky/arlington carbines came in from korea some years ago, they were about 150bucks. It's just the reverse. The clean, correct stuff continues to go up. Finding a WWII properly cartouched stock is now more expensive then the whole rifle cost a few years back.
since i have an interest/addiction to these, i find the prices i see at cabella's and so on pretty hefty for basically not all that good condtion stuff. I saw a tractor garand in the local store some time ago priced at over 2000 dollars, springfields and carbines at 800 to 1000 dollars. and that's not for the really good stuff.

 

[kbm6893]

over priced? well that kind of depends. there were about 7million i think carbines manufactured, estimated maybe 1million left in circulation. WWII and korea were a long time ago. A lot of the stuff you see circulating is misparted, shot out, and just showing the effects of time passing. Still aren't cheap. Having said that if you have the books, the knowlege, and know what you are looking at, there are still gems floating around. as to dwindling supplies shouldn't raise prices? I think that was a mistype. When the blue sky/arlington carbines came in from korea some years ago, they were about 150bucks. It's just the reverse. The clean, correct stuff continues to go up. Finding a WWII properly cartouched stock is now more expensive then the whole rifle cost a few years back.
since i have an interest/addiction to these, i find the prices i see at cabella's and so on pretty hefty for basically not all that good condtion stuff. I saw a tractor garand in the local store some time ago priced at over 2000 dollars, springfields and carbines at 800 to 1000 dollars. and that's not for the really good stuff.

It wasn’t a mistype. Blue Sky Importe is in the business to make money. The CMP is not (supposedly). Should an all original Garand be the same price as a service grade? Course not. But $1000 for an entry grade 1911? Give me a break. I still tell people the CMP is the place to go if they want a Garand, but it is clear as day that they are going to fleece the public on the 1911’s.

 

[reddog81]

There are still some good gun show deals out there. I know a guy who is from Austin-who has his dads collection and brings several with him to every gun show. Most are around $800-$900-some more-but are nice and correct. CMP--is full of BS when it comes to their version of prices. My thing is-is I never have enough money to pick up one of this guys Garands-or either I had just picked up something else for $550-ish-and cant afford another gun at that time.

CMP has field grades for $630 and service grades for $730. I'm guessing your guy is trying to sell beat up field grade rifles for $800 to $900 which is approximately $200 more than the CMP.