Shield 45 FTF mystery w/pix

OK, if I had been you, I'd have quit after the second with the same failure. I would never have bought three at one time, but that's just me.

I'm curious though, this is not a common problem with any Shield. So there must be something that you're doing to cause this or at least to exacerbate some minor flaw to the point where you have this issue when thousands of others don't.

I would love to see your gun(s) in person. Even better would be to see you shoot them.
 
OK, if I had been you, I'd have quit after the second with the same failure. I would never have bought three at one time, but that's just me.

I'm curious though, this is not a common problem with any Shield. So there must be something that you're doing to cause this or at least to exacerbate some minor flaw to the point where you have this issue when thousands of others don't.

I would love to see your gun(s) in person. Even better would be to see you shoot them.

I'm a longtime trained, experienced and competitive shooter but, as you so rightly suggest, trying different things to better understand a problem is a good thing to do.

Therefore, during the time I had these 45 Shields, I had three other highly experienced shooters fire most of them. Everyone experienced the same failures to feed nose-dives and the occasional closing on an empty chamber. We tried more than twenty different 6 and 7 round factory mags, along with the new grooved followers. We shot some mags dry and others with a light interior lube. We changed recoil spring assemblies, too. But, without a predictable pattern that we could identify, these 45 Shields eventually repeated their failures no matter who shot them or what we fed them.

I was able to conclude that those shooters with the biggest hands and most vise-like grips had a little less trouble than the rest of us but, eventually they had the failures, too.

As you and others have said, there are those who never seem to have such problems with their 45 Shields.

One of my fellow shooters has a 45 Shield made way back in August, 2016 and he has over 1,500 rounds through it with no such failures as mine have had, although his suffers from light primer strikes and occasionally misfires with his reloads that have hard primers. I shot his 45 Shield over 100 rounds on more than one occasion and never had a function problem like with mine.

All my six 45 Shields were made between November, 2016 and March, 2017 and all were LE/1st Responder guns (not that that should make any difference). But, every one had failures to feed with nose-dived ammo problems and occasionally short-cycled and closed on an empty chamber. We changed mags, followers, springs, ammo type, bullet weight as well as shooters but, they all failed at some point.

I persisted in trying newer production 45 Shields hoping that the newer ones would be more reliable but had no such luck. That's why I have reluctantly concluded that these 45 Shields can not be trusted.

I often wonder whether those shooters who rave about their 45 Shield reliability are really in a position to make such claims. Have they tried the variety of LE duty and practice ammo that we have? Have they shot their 45 Shields one-handed? Have they held them as though they were injured with a weak-hand grip? Maybe their results would be different if they did.

When I buy a carry pistol, it has to perform reliably for at least 200-400 rounds with DUTY ammo right out of the box - no break-in failures with excuses and excuses. And, it has to be reliable when utilized under real-world conditions, not just as a target pistol at the range. Any failures to function reliably under these conditions earns a pistol a reject rating and is disposed of.

The 45 Shields I bought were all rejects, period.

Now, the 9mm and 40 Shields I bought are all winners!
Go figure.
 
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Your gunsmith friend said he could fix them? Did he and what did he do? That might have been your answer... But event with a fix, I doubt I would have fully trusted them. In any case, sometimes its better to move on.
 
I also had others fire my Shield 45 thinking I might somehow be contributing to my FTF problem. Well, it wasn't. Three other shooters had the same problem.

My big question is the CAUSE hasn't been identified. I've been a shooter for many many years and I find this Shield to perfectly fit my carry needs. I get it that so many owners are not having this problem. However I am, and will not carry it until a fix is found.
 
As I posted above, your S&W KoolAid-drunken attacks are not worth my time to intelligently discuss with you.
Okay. Feel free to stop replying anytime.
And, you accuse me of "bashing" and "trolling" because I share my ACTUAL disappointing experience with my six 45 Shields?
Not at all. I called you out on bashing and trolling because of your penchant for wild exaggerations, and trying to project your experience onto EVERY OTHER Shield 45; to the point where you crowed like a rooster and started vomiting up nonsense like "these 45 Shields can not be trusted," and anyone who trusts this product is "A FOOL," and anyone who dares to question your posts is a "KOOLAID DRINKER." (your exact words). There should be no confusion about why you got called out for bashing and trolling.

You must be seriously overdosed on that KoolAid...

There are just way too many zealots running loose nowadays espousing all kinds of **** as they attempt to discredit the truth.

Maybe one of your sympathizers will throw you a life preserver so you don't drown completely in that ocean of S&W KoolAid your floating in...
Bravo, more Ad hominem. This last collection of insults from your keyboard is about as worthless as your previous clutch of pearls. This is SOP for a troll; you lost all credibility with me somewhere between the moment when you claimed to buy six of the same model, and the point where you started bragging about being a "longtime trained, experienced and competitive shooter." Sorry, but when people start describing themselves, I can only process a limited number of "glowing adjectives" in a single sentence. I'm done with you, have a nice evening.
 
I also had others fire my Shield 45 thinking I might somehow be contributing to my FTF problem. Well, it wasn't. Three other shooters had the same problem.

My big question is the CAUSE hasn't been identified. I've been a shooter for many many years and I find this Shield to perfectly fit my carry needs. I get it that so many owners are not having this problem. However I am, and will not carry it until a fix is found.
I apologize to you for derailing your thread with the side trip we took with my KoolAid-drunken stalker. I hope his shrink gives him his Zoloft refill very soon.

As you have observed, there doesn't seem to be a discernable cause of this failure to feed nose-dive problem. As you read through this forum, there are several threads with many posts going back to last year about the 45 Shield failing with this same or similar feeding problem. The threads are not so easily searched because they don't all have titles that are clearly descriptive of the nose-dive problem but they do exist.

Like you, I am disappointed because there has not been an actual "fix" for the malfunctions, just a bunch of well-intentioned suggestions that may or may not reduce the frequency of the nose-dive issue.

I took my drastic measure of disposing of my six 45 Shield rejects because I found them all to be unreliable. Maybe if I had bought only one and sent it back to the factory for two months, I may have gotten lucky but, I read too often of others' whose came back no more reliable than before they made the round trip.

After wasting my time and money for 6 months on six 45 Shields, I have concluded that the basic design is just too finicky for high-reliability performance. Either the tolerances are too tight or the mags are too small or the recoil spring assemblies are too variable or some such design compromise has detracted from reliable functioning because no such pocket 45 should be so sensitive to ammo; to the type of hold; to lubrication; or to the alignment of the planets, as were the six 45 Shields that I owned.

I hope that you have better luck with yours.
 
Thanks all for your input. I'm calling Smith today for new followers. I'll give them a try and post the results.
Nonuthin, I'm thinking S&W must know about the reliability problem but I can think of many reasons not to own up to it. There's usually a reason for a follower design change and maybe, just maybe this is S&W's way of saying "we have found a problem and the solution is . . . . ".
I'm a huge fanboy of small 45's (Glock 36, 30s, Kahr PM45 and my favorite, my Shield 45). It is essential that I have that warm fuzzy feeling when out with the wife and kids and encounter that one-in-ten million chance I'll need it. So, for now, the G36 fits my comfort zone.
 
Thanks all for your input. I'm calling Smith today for new followers. I'll give them a try and post the results.
Nonuthin, I'm thinking S&W must know about the reliability problem but I can think of many reasons not to own up to it. There's usually a reason for a follower design change and maybe, just maybe this is S&W's way of saying "we have found a problem and the solution is . . . . ".
I'm a huge fanboy of small 45's (Glock 36, 30s, Kahr PM45 and my favorite, my Shield 45). It is essential that I have that warm fuzzy feeling when out with the wife and kids and encounter that one-in-ten million chance I'll need it. So, for now, the G36 fits my comfort zone.

I share your opinion, thoughts and most of your 45 preferences on this topic.
Just in case you missed it in my lengthy posts, I changed all my mag followers to the newer grooved followers with no improvement in feeding reliability. I never did have the mag dropping that the followers are meant to correct.
I hope the new followers help and your feeding problems get resolved. If they ever do, please let us know how.
Good luck.
 
cs45pilot

The 45 Shield is a light weight single stack 45acp gun in order to keep the slide from banging the slide hard on the back of the frame when shooting +P or any hotter loads. Rather then adding weight to the slide S&W would have installed a heavier recoil spring. In doing so the gun may not function 100% with anything but full acp 45 ammo.

If a bulk manufacturer like Federal made there lowest cost ammo just a little lighter on powder then they should. A new tight gun with a heavy spring may be too stiff and tight for it to function with the cheaper white box or any ammo that it loaded a little light.

Could you try a couple boxs of +P ammo and see if it fails to feed? Any bullet style will work. Ideally a FMJ loaded to +P like NATO would be a great test.

The good news is that if it is just a new gun and cheaper ammo that after shooting the gun some more it will loosen up and function fine with the cheaper ammo.
 
OU 812, Sure, I'm game. I like this Shield so much I'll try anything short of a witch-doctor blessing to get it resolved. I had trouble with: Remington 45 UMC 230g JHP, Winchester 230g Auto White Box, Hornady Critical Defense 45 Auto 185g FTX and SIG Auto 185g V-Crown JHP. I fired an expensive 100 rounds of Federal Premium 230g Hydra-Shok JHP without issue. Puzzled by that. I'll pick up a box of +P ammo and see what happens.
 
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If you can go with a heavy bullet 230 with a +P rating. I would like to know if it helps.
 
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Got out and fired my Shield 45 with the New Followers received from S&W. Fired two boxes (40 rds) of Critical Defense, one box (20 rds) SIG V-crown and 28 rds Federal Hydrashok I had left over. So, after firing 88 rounds of top quality ammo by three different shooters, I had ZERO malfunctions. I did not fire any range ammo and my LGS was out of +p 45's. Not to say that the issue is resolved, but after 88 rounds ( at a buck-a-pop) without a FTF is very encouraging. Rastoff might have been right suspecting a mag issue. Still, why thousands of Shield owners have no problems at all and I seem to get a problem child puzzles me. How is one different from another off the same production line? Further still, why a follower replacement has, at very least, improved my Shields reliability while having no effect on others. Other than the groove, I don't see any other dimensional difference from the original follower. At any rate, I'll remain a solid S&W customer due to their fine product line and, in my experience, great customer service.
 
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Other than the groove, I don't see any other dimensional difference from the original follower.
That groove is the critical difference, and the reason they were redesigned.

At any rate, I'll remain a solid S&W customer due to their fine product line and, in my experience, great customer service.
Great, another drunken Kool-aid drinker -- uuh, I mean satisfied customer! Sounds like you got it sorted out, and I'm happy for you.
 
Still, why thousands of Shield owners have no problems at all and I seem to get a problem child puzzles me.
We may never know the complete answer here. It could be a combination of tolerances that are both at their limit. It could be something just barely out of tolerance. It could be the temperature. Who knows.

I don't know what the differences between mag followers is, but it seems to be working now.

I'm glad it seems to be working now. Keep shooting and keep us apprised of the situation. I'm with you, 88 rounds is not enough to be fully confident. It is a beginning though. I'm curious to hear how future range sessions go.
 

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