I let an "expert" look at my 4006

[cd228]

Fortunately he's usually not there when I'm there.

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I'm glad to hear that, I'd be worried about catching the dumb from him.

Congratulations on your new pistol and good on you for spotting the alleged expert's mental manure.

 

[Triathloncoach]

I would think after 54 years I would stop being amazed at how many people have such extreme confidence based on nothing. As a mean spirited cynic I typically encourage them to spew as much nonsense as possible. It's so entertaining.

"Facts? We don't need no stinking facts!"

 

[rwsmith]

Don't argue with a fool....

It took me until I was almost 40 to realize life is so much simpler when you let schmucks like that ramble on without trying to correct them. It also prevents you from coming off as a schmuck (even if you are right, when you battle it out you become one of them), so it's a win-win!

After a while people won't be able to tell you apart.

 

[lhump1961]

The comment about hand loads kills me! From what I understand the majority of competition shooters load their own ammo...a lot at any rate. Many of us here hand load and I feel my loads are at least as good if not better than factory. All my charges are within a 10th of a grain and the OAL is within a few thousandths...if I had all the same head stamps I would guess I could get even better. I've put calipers to factory ammo and found greater variances.

 

[Big Shrek]

I'd recommend not hanging out there anymore.

Oh, those are the ones that it's fun to buy from after they've talked
down a particular gun, of course it's worth far less than the marked price,
Right?

 

[PPS1980]

Never leave children or tards alone with guns.

From our lips to G*ds ear!

 

[adrianolsen]

CHP 4006s were used for 18 years.a lot of cracked muzzles at the end.make sure to find out what department you get a gun from and call the armor and talk about the gun for info.

 

[JohnHL]

CHP 4006s were used for 18 years.a lot of cracked muzzles at the end.make sure to find out what department you get a gun from and call the armor and talk about the gun for info.

Were the cracked muzzles attributed to high round count?

If so, approximately how many rounds does it take to crack a muzzle?

John

 

[hemiram]

There are "Cliff Clavens" in every hobby. Guns, ham radio, cars (LOTS of them in the car hobbies). They all say really stupid stuff with amazing confidence. I've had a bunch of police trade in guns, S&W 4506, 5906, 6906, 4006, and a really rough on one side 4586. The 4586 appeared to be used a lot and dropped on concrete more than once. Along with those, I have had 3 Israeli CZ clones, a Beretta 92FS, and several revolvers, all S&W's of various model .357's. None of these had any really significant barrel wear, and most of them have little wear of any kind. A friend of mine has over fifty trade in guns and none of them have any important wear. The recoil spring gets changed, and the gun is cleaned and off it goes to the range.

 

[adrianolsen]

Were the cracked muzzles attributed to high round count?

If so, approximately how many rounds does it take to crack a muzzle?

John

Maybe on some, but most were from weak recoil springs. Remember the three 5s. 5 years, 5000 rds, and 5 inches- the length of the recoil spring with the guide rod in it. Once a recoil spring gets short and weak the barrel doesn't lock firmly anymore, it just slaps back and forth.

 

[NewToGuns17]

See, i don't mind telling people "im new to shooting" or ask questions if it's not going to disservice the person i'm talking to. It's how i learn and pass on knowledge to someone else who would be in my shoes. The "experts" who really aren't are the ones looking for acceptance from somebody who isn't as well versed so they feel like they're better than they are.

 

[JohnHL]

Maybe on some, but most were from weak recoil springs. Remember the three 5s. 5 years, 5000 rds, and 5 inches- the length of the recoil spring with the guide rod in it. Once a recoil spring gets short and weak the barrel doesn't lock firmly anymore, it just slaps back and forth.

Thanks for the info!
I like the mnemonic for spring replacement: Three 5s.
I've heard the 5years/5000 rounds recommendation before, but the 5 inches is new to me.

I can certainly appreciate that things get battered without healthy spring tension, but I would have thought it was the area below the chamber, adjacent to the barrel camming lugs that would take the most abuse during recoil with insufficient restraint.

That's why I am grateful for your insider knowledge.
A person who works in the field will always know more than even the most dedicated outsider.

Where on the muzzle does the crack typically occur, or is it random.

What other tell-tale signs of weak recoil springs have you seen like cracking, peening, or movement of metal?

And you mentioned the muzzle cracks on the 4006.
What were the manifestations of weak recoil springs on the 4013?

Thanks, viking!

John

 

[rwsmith]

Have you ever noticed.....

Have you ever noticed that many people in the US are 'firearms experts' because they watch movies and TV?

 

[Fazer386]

Ignore that Schmuck

Any 3rd Gen police trade-in is a good deal. I'm kind of amazed there still are 3rd Gen pistols to trade-in. The last agency in my area that issue 3rd Gen pistols gave them up 14-15 years ago. 3rd Gen pistols are easy to tune-up and refinish, spare parts are available from a variety of online sources.

Last year I tuned up my 4586 duty gun and six magazines. I haven't carried the gun for 17 years, it guards the den now. I rebuilt it and the magazines with parts from Numrich, Midway, Brownells, Wolff and Trijicon. It looks, feels and shoots like a new gun with character wear from riding in my holster.