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Stay surprised. To become numb and complacant in the face of these things is to admit that we don't care
Broward County School Shooting
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Stay surprised. To become numb and complacant in the face of these things is to admit that we don't care
Prayers for all those involved.
Trained security in soft targets.
Trained security in soft targets.
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usmc2427765
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There is nothing to say, I feel numb. I only have one question, was there an LEO permanently assigned to that campus ? God bless all the dead and wounded and their families.
Yes, we need to start caring for each other instead of "judging, classifying, medicating and disposing" when those around us don't behave according to our selfish expectations. Joe
S&W2244
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Today is ASH WEDNESDAY, went to church received ashes and reflected how I could improve my life over the next 40 days before Easter. It was also Valentine's Day, a day to be happy and be with the one we love. Then all of a sudden I hear the news about the tragic school shooting. All these young lives snuffed out in seconds, how sad. I immediately said prayers for all involved, and will continue to keep them in my prayers.
Kernel Crittenden
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I've kept my TV off on purpose today and have refrained from reading much about it because I don't want to know the details. I know the results and that's enough for now. Terrible. So sad and senseless.
Stop sending children off to schools. Educate online. Taxes go down, school shootings stop. This would work,but most cannot fathom abandoning centralized mandated education. Sad day indeed..
ACORN
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This is every parents worst nightmare. God help the victims and their friends and families.
yellowtr
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The FBI was warned as in the case of the Orlando shooter and they interviewed the person who showed light on the shooter but totally ignored the shooter.
It appears to me that this may have been prevented.
Daughter #1 is a middle school teacher in the Phoenix area and I cringe every time there is news of an active shooter in a school.
I will pray for the parents, siblings.
Yesterday was a very sad day indeed.
I just cannot understand why there is so much evil and hate in this world.
It appears to me that this may have been prevented.
Daughter #1 is a middle school teacher in the Phoenix area and I cringe every time there is news of an active shooter in a school.
I will pray for the parents, siblings.
Yesterday was a very sad day indeed.
I just cannot understand why there is so much evil and hate in this world.
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Hopefully they will be able to get some useful, preventative information from the shooter.
God protect those remaining and comfort the bereaved!
Steve W
God protect those remaining and comfort the bereaved!
Steve W
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Another gun group I look at occasionally posts a moratorium on comments fro 24 hours after one of these. Good common sense to wait until details are known.
The fact that I can type "usually" and "one of these" in the same sentence is so freakin' sad in and of itself....
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I would pray that God stops the next shooter.
Tradewind36
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So sad. As long as there is evil in this world this will never stop. Only thing we can do is stay vigilant.
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At what point is the school district criminally negligent for not providing real security for children required by law to be there. A no gun sign and a guy wandering through the halls with nothing but a cell phone is not security. Pawn shop clerks are armed. Aren't our kids more valuable than second hand junk? We can afford to train and hire fully equipped security if it was a priority.
My heart goes out to the families of the victims. As a parent I can only imagine their strife and pain. I pray that They will find some solace these awful time they have to go through.
When my two children went through K to 12 in the 70's and 80's with the you get graduatin HS in 1989, there were no school shootings, not guards with guns in schools, and I did not ever fear that they or my teacher wife would be a potential victim of a mass killing in a school.
As I recall a person could buy an AR15 in the late 70's and in the 80's. So the question I ponder after a shooting like yesterday's is what happened To create these shootings we now experience. Entail illness has existed through the centuries. It is not new, but is it more prevalent today, and was the type of mental illness of those bygone days so different from that of today.
I do not have a clue as to the answers. I just see the evidence of the dramatic change over the past two decades. If we could understand that difference would it lead to a difference in behavior of the shooters. I doubt it. We know the problem is not guns. People were killing each other long before guns were invented. Homicide is just a fact of life and fortunately it only a tiny percentage of people who seek to kill other people. I do not see a solution through mental health treatment and I do not think it will be solved by some miracle that allows the certain identification of a likely shooter before the act is committed. I. Short I think prevention is not going to happen by any other means than raising the stakes for the shooter. We need armed persons in schools to repel a shooter on the scene and maybe to deter a shooter who does not want to take the risk of being shot.
When my two children went through K to 12 in the 70's and 80's with the you get graduatin HS in 1989, there were no school shootings, not guards with guns in schools, and I did not ever fear that they or my teacher wife would be a potential victim of a mass killing in a school.
As I recall a person could buy an AR15 in the late 70's and in the 80's. So the question I ponder after a shooting like yesterday's is what happened To create these shootings we now experience. Entail illness has existed through the centuries. It is not new, but is it more prevalent today, and was the type of mental illness of those bygone days so different from that of today.
I do not have a clue as to the answers. I just see the evidence of the dramatic change over the past two decades. If we could understand that difference would it lead to a difference in behavior of the shooters. I doubt it. We know the problem is not guns. People were killing each other long before guns were invented. Homicide is just a fact of life and fortunately it only a tiny percentage of people who seek to kill other people. I do not see a solution through mental health treatment and I do not think it will be solved by some miracle that allows the certain identification of a likely shooter before the act is committed. I. Short I think prevention is not going to happen by any other means than raising the stakes for the shooter. We need armed persons in schools to repel a shooter on the scene and maybe to deter a shooter who does not want to take the risk of being shot.
S&WsRsweet
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There is nothing I can say to lessen the pain of those effected but I will pray for all of them. I really don't have anything constructive to add as far as preventative solutions as any solutions to stop the next one will be either controversial or ineffective or both.
Weimar
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There are possible solutions and there are draconian solutions such as Australia used after a mass shooting.
We have been heading down that path for some time and something will be the straw that broke the camels back and a politician will just react, 2nd amendment be damned (is my fear).
No offense meant, but the shock and praying it won't happen, is not working.
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1. Quit naming these killers - they should be referred to as the shooter, and NEVER counted as one of the dead. Their name should not be spread over every news outlet for weeks, their face and name encourages other kids to do this. - Why else would these killers be doing this. How many mass murders were there prior to Columbine? Several yes, but not like we have today.
2. Mental health - records of folks who are not allowed to buy guns need to be shared with the background check system (this will only minimize the buying, because AR type rifles are prevalent and being rifles, easily bought in a vast majority of our states without any checks from private individuals (totally legal).
3. The next part is much harder to control and individuals can lose rights if done wrong - but folks who threaten or have done harm to others shouldn't be allowed to buy either.
4. Every school or target that is 'soft' needs to be tightened and secured. Safe rooms, interior locks to minimize access and slow down shooters should be implemented. I used to work at a HQ for a hospital and they were shocked that I suggested locks on every interior door. Only a mix-up by the company who was installing doors were locks placed on every door (it cost more money to order doors without locks than standard with them).
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Gun enthusiasts hate any type of control, but if we aren't careful, major changes could occur by folks drawing a line in the sand of no gun control and those who desire complete gun control - one major or minor incident could be the tipping point. Let alone, the unspeakable; the 2nd amendment could be taken away. All it requires is a new amendment rescinding, it can and has happened, anyone remember the 18th amendment?
We have been heading down that path for some time and something will be the straw that broke the camels back and a politician will just react, 2nd amendment be damned (is my fear).
No offense meant, but the shock and praying it won't happen, is not working.
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1. Quit naming these killers - they should be referred to as the shooter, and NEVER counted as one of the dead. Their name should not be spread over every news outlet for weeks, their face and name encourages other kids to do this. - Why else would these killers be doing this. How many mass murders were there prior to Columbine? Several yes, but not like we have today.
2. Mental health - records of folks who are not allowed to buy guns need to be shared with the background check system (this will only minimize the buying, because AR type rifles are prevalent and being rifles, easily bought in a vast majority of our states without any checks from private individuals (totally legal).
3. The next part is much harder to control and individuals can lose rights if done wrong - but folks who threaten or have done harm to others shouldn't be allowed to buy either.
4. Every school or target that is 'soft' needs to be tightened and secured. Safe rooms, interior locks to minimize access and slow down shooters should be implemented. I used to work at a HQ for a hospital and they were shocked that I suggested locks on every interior door. Only a mix-up by the company who was installing doors were locks placed on every door (it cost more money to order doors without locks than standard with them).
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Gun enthusiasts hate any type of control, but if we aren't careful, major changes could occur by folks drawing a line in the sand of no gun control and those who desire complete gun control - one major or minor incident could be the tipping point. Let alone, the unspeakable; the 2nd amendment could be taken away. All it requires is a new amendment rescinding, it can and has happened, anyone remember the 18th amendment?
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