10 round Shield 9...is it possible..in the future?

[dben002]

Any idea's anyone.
Will S&W even try to compete with the Sig P365 or not?

Would love to see a 10 round Shield but do not know if S&W has the stomach or the corporate $$$$$$$ to spend to stay competitive.......

Thoughts anyone..??????

 

[murphydog]

They could, but it would require a staggered magazine and (wider) grip frame to keep the height the same, and they already make the M & P Compact. Longer (+1 or 2) Shield magazines get you close.

 

[Mike SC Hunter]

Or just get a Magguts.com spring and follower and the 7 becomes an 8. 9 with one in the barrel and the 8 becomes a 9 . 10 with one in the barrel.

Problem solved.

 

[Mike SC Hunter]

Any idea's anyone.
Will S&W even try to compete with the Sig P365 or not?

Would love to see a 10 round Shield but do not know if S&W has the stomach or the corporate $$$$$$$ to spend to stay competitive.......

Thoughts anyone..??????

Sig p365 on recall due to misfires and slide failing to go to batttery.

 

[dben002]

Or just get a Magguts.com spring and follower and the 7 becomes an 8. 9 with one in the barrel and the 8 becomes a 9 . 10 with one in the barrel.

Problem solved.

Actually with the magguts +2 the 7 becomes 10 with one in the chamber but I just don't know if I trust that Z spring concept...????????? but yes that would give you 10 plus a quarter of an inch on the length.

 

[gc70]

Any idea's anyone.
Will S&W even try to compete with the Sig P365 or not?

Would love to see a 10 round Shield but do not know if S&W has the stomach or the corporate $$$$$$$ to spend to stay competitive.......

Thoughts anyone..??????

When did 10 rounds become the standard to "stay competitive" in the carry gun market?

After selling a couple of million Shields, S&W may feel they have a pretty good and well-proven product. On the other hand, SIG reportedly suspended shipping the P365 while tweaking the design to correct problems.

 

[dben002]

Sig p365 on recall due to misfires and slide failing to go to batttery.

I read Phil Strader's facebook post where he admitted they are going to address the failure to go into battery, but that is all he admitted to...he said nothing about broken firing pins, or slide damage, or barrel damage which has been reported...So I hope they will address all of that before they continue shipping.......

Also heard on the Sig Forum, all shipped guns were recalled and shipping would resume in 60 to 90 days........

 

[dabull1463]

The magguts +2 on the factory 8-round mag already does that.

+2
Smith & Wesson Shield 9mm +2 Magazine Conversion - MagGuts | eBay

+1
Smith & Wesson Shield +1 Round Magazine Conversion - MagGuts | eBay

See picture for size reference with the +2 magguts in the middle on an original 7rounder. Factory 8 rounder to the left and factory 7 to the right.

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[dben002]

When did 10 rounds become the standard to "stay competitive" in the carry gun market?

After selling a couple of million Shields, S&W may feel they have a pretty good and well-proven product. On the other hand, SIG reportedly suspended shipping the P365 while tweaking the design to correct problems.

I did not say 10 was the standard....but 10 in that size concealable handgun will be a highly sought after product.

 

[stavey]

Just buy a 9c . Mag compatibility alone make the 9c a clear winner. Capacity is king

 

[dben002]

Just buy a 9c . Mag compatibility alone make the 9c a clear winner. Capacity is king

For me....9c to long, to heavy for 15 hours a day 7 days a week appendix carry....wish it were not so..but for me it is............

 

[Vulcannut]

As the V2 shield was just released I wouldn't think they would rush to redo it but I hope the come out with a V2 9c that's the same size as the V1 9c, not the size of the new compact models, that brings the weight and capacity or the P365 but in a S&W design.

I am quite sure all of the manufacturers are looking long and hard at the P365 and will be coming out with their own similar design soon. Unless the P365 design proves to be a failure. Way to early to determine that.

 

[Old cop]

If you have an eight round mag w/a round chambered that's nine rounds. How much more effective would one or two rounds be?

 

[Funflyer]

The problem I see with making a smaller, higher capacity 9 is all the warranty work that it will create. Everybody will want one but, not all shooters have the strength and technique to make it function reliably. I saw a video just yesterday on the P365 and one guy, who had an odd grip, was getting all kinds of OOB fails but, another guy with a good grip had no problems. Even the great hicock-45 had an OOB but didn't say a word about it. Not too sure what Sig plans on doing with their P365 to make it weakling-proof but, Smith and Wesson would be smart to keep doing exactly what they're doing now, it'll save them in the long run.

 

[dben002]

The problem I see with making a smaller, higher capacity 9 is all the warranty work that it will create. Everybody will want one but, not all shooters have the strength and technique to make it function reliably. I saw a video just yesterday on the P365 and one guy, who had an odd grip, was getting all kinds of OOB fails but, another guy with a good grip had no problems. Even the great hicock-45 had an OOB but didn't say a word about it. Not too sure what Sig plans on doing with their P365 to make it weakling-proof but, Smith and Wesson would be smart to keep doing exactly what they're doing now, it'll save them in the long run.

Sig is aware of ALL the problems with the 365..they actually knew before and at Shot Show...They have recalled all unsold 365's shipped and have suspended shipping for 60 to 90 days until the problems have been addressed....the already sold one's will be dealt with on a as needed basis as all will not fail immediately........After the 320 problems Sig can't afford for this new gun to go into the toilet...they have no choice but to get it corrected.....

Once that is done and proved to be reliable (take a year to know)...it will be well received.....for the size and capacity.

 

[Rastoff]

When did 10 rounds become the standard to "stay competitive" in the carry gun market?

It's not, but the two driving factors in handguns are size and capacity.

Right now small guns outsell big guns. The most talked about subject is capacity. Spend time on any gun forum and you'll hear that having the maximum capacity is the most important thing.

Of course, neither of those factors are really important when it comes to actually defending yourself. The most important factor is functional reliability. If the gun don't work, it's useless. The second most important factor is effectiveness. In order to be effective, the owner must be able to shoot it effectively and manipulate it easily.

Alas, those things aren't fun to talk about so, we default to capacity and size. Which leads us here. People want the 10 round capacity, but the size of the Shield. Physics disagrees with their desire.

Buy an M&P 2.0 Compact. The perfect compromise of small size, large capacity and ease of handling.

 

[Dave Lively]

I doubt there will be a Shield that directly competes with the P365. Among other things Sig had some patents on the way the magazine. Double column magazines that taper to a single round have been around at least since the 1935 Browning HiPower so I am confused about exactly what was unique enough to patent but Sig says they have 3.

Even if there were not any patents I doubt S&W would come out with a gun incompatible with existing magazines.

Best case would be a M&P 2.0 subcompact with a slimmer slide. If they wanted to make it shorter than the existing 1.0 compact they could go down to 10 rounds. It would not be as small or light as the P365 but that is not all bad. Really light guns tend to be finicky. And a subcompact with a slim frame and slide could take existing 12, 15 and 17 round magazines.

If S&W came out with a gun like that I would certainly try it. I carry IWB and since the grip is outside of my belt its width is less important than the width of the frame and slide.

 

[nanney1]

Any idea's anyone.
Will S&W even try to compete with the Sig P365 or not?

Would love to see a 10 round Shield but do not know if S&W has the stomach or the corporate $$$$$$$ to spend to stay competitive.......

Thoughts anyone..??????

"stay competitive"??? Have Shield sales declined so much that they aren't competitive in the market? I thought it was the best selling single stack.

 

[Mike SC Hunter]

"stay competitive"??? Have Shield sales declined so much that they aren't competitive in the market? I thought it was the best selling single stack.

And to think I also carry a 5 SHOT J frame!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Cheapskait]

S&W could troll SIG by taking the 9mm Shield and just create a new frame that takes the P365 10 round mag, maybe call it the Shield X, same price as the regular Shield and then come out with a backward compatible (to the 365) mag and sell it for $20. BURN!