Another LEOSA qualification…

[The Big D]

Sooner or letter someone is gonna get jammed up by virtue of their non-compliance with LEOSA.

Should be shocked that some (organizations and people) are ignorant of Federal law or choose to ignore it…but here we are.

Be safe.

 

[Terry G]

In Wisconsin we shoot the same course as active PD. 3,7,15,25. Strong hand , weak hand, emergency re-load (Dummy rounds in the magazine,) barricade, right and left, at 25 yards any position you want. I enjoy it every year, and usually shoot it at least twice with a different gun. This year it was three times with a CZ P-01, a CZ TS2, and a S&W M&P 2.0 .45. Note: For what it's worth, most of these guy's CAN shoot, very few re-shoots needed and then usually because of a malfunction. If they change it to three years I'll probably go every year anyway.

 

[Exchipy]

My former agency has the same course for retired qualification as they hold for their off duty carry guns of active officers. It requires shooting at various distances and concludes with 6 rounds at the 25 yard line. I shot 92% this year but it's not an easy course for the retired shooters.

That's the way to do it, alright.

Some of what's been said here is disturbing. When it comes to what is required by statutory law in the U.S., good reading comprehension skills, and a proper grasp of precisely how the English language works in written form, are essential. That's because those skills and that understanding are what a court will apply when determining just how a serious beef over whether LEOSA protections are available to a litigant will actually turn out. A person cannot simply ignore those words in a written sentence which that person either doesn't like or doesn't understand, because doing that invites an unpleasant outcome.

 

[StuN25]

My former California agency issues one card, which is renewed annually and states on the card "CCW/HR 218 Approved." It also has a statement on the rear of the card stating it requires annual qualifications pursuant to 18 USC 926C. I don't know of any 5-year card issued in California. Doesn't mean I doubt it's existence, just unaware of it.

My CA department issues the 5 year card that's technically only valid in CA but I'm able to legally carry concealed with it in the state where I live, OR. That's even without the LEOSA qual which I do annually.

 

[Reloader Fred]

Hi Fred. How would a "5 year" card work for carrying outside of California? Federal law dictate the LEOSA qualification card is good for only one year.
Maybe it's only good, as you mentioned, in California?

It is only good for inside California and says so on the back of the card. But that card, along with an HR-218 qualification card, is good nationwide.

Hope this helps.

Fred

 

[Reloader Fred]

My CA department issues the 5 year card that's technically only valid in CA but I'm able to legally carry concealed with it in the state where I live, OR. That's even without the LEOSA qual which I do annually.

That is correct. Under the Oregon Revised Statutes (ORS) Section 166.260 Persons not affected by ORS 166.250(1) does not apply to or affect: (a) "Sheriffs, Constables, marshals, police officers, whether active or honorably retired, parole and probation officers or other duly appointed peace officers". ORS 166.250, is the general prohibition against carrying a concealed weapon. It doesn't matter where the retiree is from, as long as he/she is a member of one of the enumerated groups in ORS 166.260.

Hope this helps.

Fred

 

[S-W4EVER]

I retired four years ago. @The Big D congrats on being retired so long. I'm getting to the point now where it doesn't even seem real that I worked 40+ years as a LEO.

As for LEOSA, it's becoming difficult to get someone to do it. Hopefully it's different for y'all but around here the attitude seems to be, "when you're gone, you're gone." They just forget about you.

I served 42 years as an Army MP, State Trooper, and City Policeman. I live outside of town and although I retired for good eight years ago I was in the habit of stopping to check on LEO's on traffic stops when they were alone.

A year or so ago three Deputy Sheriff's were on a stop about a block from my house. There was no other traffic out. When I stopped I was contacted by a female deputy. I told her I was retired LE and she replied "Move along".

I'm starting to see why LE has such trouble connecting with the public. I never treated anyone that way when I was on the job. I wasn't asking for any special treatment but now I just "move along"…

 

[ultra45]

"The Federal Statute says the individual (retired officer) must meet the "State's Standards for training and qualification for active law enforcement officers."

The above is meant to include the course of fire and training. Trying to mandate a particular firearm is most definitely outside the scope of the individual state, as enumerated in the LEOSA. It's not unusual, as NC is not the only state to try this. Just look to NJ, where they tried to impose their take on the LEOSA on several issues and got bitch slapped by the court.

They told retirees they had to qualify twice a year instead of once annually, pass 70 yrs of age and can't carry concealed and lets not forget the no hollow point for anyone but active NJ LEO,s even after Obama signed the last amendment to the LEOSA. All struck down.

 

[biku324]

Reading this thread reaffirms the decision I made to not bother with LEOSA but just do CCL.

 

[Doug M.]

A year or so ago three Deputy Sheriff's were on a stop about a block from my house. There was no other traffic out. When I stopped I was contacted by a female deputy. I told her I was retired LE and she replied "Move along".
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They didn't know you, so it made them uncomfortable. I have not stopped since I retired but have called 911 or dispatch to let them know it looks like the officer/deputy/trooper needs another unit or 3. I did make such a call while walking the dogs over 10 years and I stayed in the area to point out the direction the offender and officer had gone. One of the dogs was my avatar, and if I had needed to interfere, that muzzle was coming off.
When I was active, I never let anyone I did not know stop in the area of my encounter. I doubt I would actually stop unless I saw that there was an honest goodness fight going on.

 

[wileyjackhammer]

The course of fire described by WileyJackhammer is the state course I described earlier.

I CHOOSE to use at least 2 different formats (revolver and at least a striker fired auto) to show to myself and anyone who needs to look at the card that I can. Far too many active officers and prosecutors/government civil attorneys do not know enough and I want to make sure my credentials protect me from that ignorance.

I do the same thing..... but with a S&W revolver and a 1911 or a S&W Shield in ,45 acp.....next week it will be with a model 25-2 and a Detonics Scoremaster.
I use a different gun most every time....
I read it that you need to qual with both a revolver & an auto.
Shamefully. I have also qualified with a Glock 23 in case I went to the East Coast, to visit family. There you may never see the gun again if forced to use it. Glocks are easily replaced...
I always had to fly into New Jersey and drive to Long Island. Later I learned to fly into North or South Carolina...where declaring a gun at the airport counter didn't set off alarms and traveling up the coast was mostly fun....
I flew out of Eastern Washington at the time, before Wash fell behind the IRON CURTAIN....

 

[S-W4EVER]

They didn't know you, so it made them uncomfortable…

I live in Eastern Washington, moved here in 1990. Our violent crime rate is really low. When I first moved here it was not unusual for armed Citizens to stop to back me up if I was away from town. Things (people) have changed…

 

[ultra45]

Reading this thread reaffirms the decision I made to not bother with LEOSA but just do CCL.

Whatever works for you. It's easier for me being in PA and traveling into NY and NJ, ot to mention the rest of the east coast. I also fly throughout the country. For me, it's worth the annual qualification.

 

[Recargador]

Reading this thread reaffirms the decision I made to not bother with LEOSA but just do CCL.

I'm in your neighboring state Arizona. I'm a retired Federal agent and conduct LEOSA qualifications and conduct AZ CCW classes.
My agency's Academy is in Artesia. For a long time all federal agents who retired in NM were stuck with the CCL because Federal agencies can't qualify their retirees. The state recently started to allow qualified persons to run LEOSA qualifications for retired feds.
I recommend getting LEOSA. It allows you to carry in all 57 states....

 

[Mark@NH]

I'm in your neighboring state Arizona. I'm a retired Federal agent and conduct LEOSA qualifications and conduct AZ CCW classes.
My agency's Academy is in Artesia. For a long time all federal agents who retired in NM were stuck with the CCL because Federal agencies can't qualify their retirees. The state recently started to allow qualified persons to run LEOSA qualifications for retired feds.
I recommend getting LEOSA. It allows you to carry in all 57 states....

I assume you were including territories with the states. I checked about carrying in Puerto Rico and they permit it. I am curious what other territories you may have checked?

 

[NW Montana]

Hola, Amigo. Class #114 here. Great Obama quote...

I'm in your neighboring state Arizona. I'm a retired Federal agent and conduct LEOSA qualifications and conduct AZ CCW classes.
My agency's Academy is in Artesia. For a long time all federal agents who retired in NM were stuck with the CCL because Federal agencies can't qualify their retirees. The state recently started to allow qualified persons to run LEOSA qualifications for retired feds.
I recommend getting LEOSA. It allows you to carry in all 57 states.

 

[ultra45]

I assume you were including territories with the states. I checked about carrying in Puerto Rico and they permit it. I am curious what other territories you may have checked?

Technically you can fly to GUAM with yur heater in your checked luggage, deplane grab yur luggage, remove and conceal carry your heater. Possessions and territories fall under the LEOSA.

 

[biku324]

I'm in your neighboring state Arizona. I'm a retired Federal agent and conduct LEOSA qualifications and conduct AZ CCW classes.
My agency's Academy is in Artesia. For a long time all federal agents who retired in NM were stuck with the CCL because Federal agencies can't qualify their retirees. The state recently started to allow qualified persons to run LEOSA qualifications for retired feds.
I recommend getting LEOSA. It allows you to carry in all 57 states....

So, in the '90s someone in DC finally snapped to the fact that Border Patrol agents were spending their pocket money for utterly desperate illegal border-crossers they arrested. Water, sometimes some tortillas, a blanket or two, and so on - the BP agents were both professionals and human beings.

DC decided it was a shocking emergency (it hadn't been for a hundred years) and immediately developed a program so each USBP vehicle had snacks, bottled water, disposable diapers, formula, feminine hygiene gear, and other stuff. Agents had to document that they offered the stuff to detainees - the cop shorthand from the agents was to refer to the items as 'Janet Reno Snack Packs.' Kind of like 57 states....

 

[Recargador]

Reading this thread reaffirms the decision I made to not bother with LEOSA but just do CCL.

I'm in your neighboring state Arizona. I'm a retired Federal agent and conduct LEOSA qualifications and conduct AZ CCW classes.
My agency's Academy is in Artesia. For a long time all federal agents who retired in NM were stuck with the CCL because Federal agencies can't qualify their retirees. The state recently started to allow qualified persons to run LEOSA qualifications for retired feds.
I recommend getting LEOSA. It allows you to carry in all 57 states

So, in the '90s someone in DC finally snapped to the fact that Border Patrol agents were spending their pocket money for utterly desperate illegal border-crossers they arrested. Water, sometimes some tortillas, a blanket or two, and so on - the BP agents were both professionals and human beings.

DC decided it was a shocking emergency (it hadn't been for a hundred years) and immediately developed a program so each USBP vehicle had snacks, bottled water, disposable diapers, formula, feminine hygiene gear, and other stuff. Agents had to document that they offered the stuff to detainees - the cop shorthand from the agents was to refer to the items as 'Janet Reno Snack Packs.' Kind of like 57 states....

I remember those!

 

[Recargador]

Hola, Amigo. Class #114 here. Great Obama quote...

I assume you were including territories with the states. I checked about carrying in Puerto Rico and they permit it. I am curious what other territories you may have checked?

The 57 states quip was in reference to Obama.