"Repeal The Second Amendment"

[Cardboard_killer]

The demographics of this country are changing rapidly.

I don't think we will see the 2nd amendment repealed even in 20 years. But demographics are changing, and there is a lot of ownership restrictions that the 2nd amendment allows under current SCOTUS interpretation of the 2nd amendment. I don't doubt that in twenty years we will have restrictions on high capacity magazines and semi-automatic rifles and pistols. The times are changing--older gun owners are dying, and younger gun owners are out numbered. The question is, what can we do to limit those new restrictions so that they are not an impossible burden?

 

[Golddollar]

Huh? There were only two M1A1 Abrams tanks at Waco, and nine Bradley fighting vehicle

What concerned me at the time was why were armored vehicles being brought in against American citizens?

 

[Cardboard_killer]

What concerned me at the time was why were armored vehicles being brought in against American citizens?

For the same reasons that beat cops have ARs in their trunks, so they can out gun the bad guys.

 

[Muss Muggins]

What concerned me at the time was why were armored vehicles being brought in against American citizens?

Because there was at least one federal arrest warrant for the occupants, and they were shooting back . . .

Edit: I can't respond more fully without getting dinged, hard . . .

 

[Cardboard_killer]

Making David Koresh, with his hand picked harem of pre-teens, a martyr for the pro-2nd amendment movement is perhaps the nastiest bit of bad news for regular gun owners like myself. I support anyone's right to say that Koresh was publicly murdered, even if I disagree, but tying him into the 2nd amendment fight is a sure way to make us all look like loons, and worse.

 

[ladder13]

Lately I've noticed a lot less derisive chatter about " move to a free state" and a lot less mention of "commie NY, CA, MA, NJ", etc.
Now some are getting a taste of what people living in those states have been saying for years.
If it can happen in VT, FL, PA, etc.........
Wake up.

 

[TTSH]

Lately I've noticed a lot less derisive chatter about " move to a free state" and a lot less mention of "commie NY, CA, MA, NJ", etc.
Now some are getting a taste of what people living in those states have been saying for years.
If it can happen in VT, FL, PA, etc.........
Wake up.

I take no pleasure whatsoever in saying "Welcome to my world" newly restricted citizens of formerly "Free America"...

 

[500SNW]

I take no pleasure whatsoever in saying "Welcome to my world" newly restricted citizens of formerly "Free America"...

How old are you? If you are over 40, then how good is your memory? Many of us have already "been-there-done-that". In 1994 the Clinton gun ban suddenly appeared one morning and we lived with it - all 50 states of us - for a decade. It happened more quietly in a time when there wasn't the internet and the 24/7 connectivity of social media. There wasn't the fanfare back then, we just had to live with it. Whatever your perception of present times may be, it's still way better than the period from 1994-2004. Back then, we all experienced the same restrictive gun laws like Californians and New Yorkers. Even Ruger and SMITH & WESSON stabbed us in the back. Today, I can still buy just about anything I desire at a reasonable price...short of NFA items. So, IMHO it's business as usual and I haven't lost any freedoms yet.

 

[JSR III]

Just hope that they can't find 33 states willing to consider that repeal. Both coasts are falling into the abyss and the cancer seems to be bleeding inward.

We all get a little extra concerned when we see anti gun groups marching or demonstrating. I love when they are interviewed and asked why they are against the second amendment or what an assault rifle is. Many times they say things like, "no one needs a machine gun" or "because they are scary looking".

Our ONLY long term salvation will come from introducing young folks and women to the shooting sports. Most fear guns because they have never been around them and never enjoyed the sporting aspects.

When I was involved with the Boy Scout visits to my gun club and we held shooting events on the outdoor range it was always rewarding to see the kids eyes light up when they knocked down one of the steel targets. We used the steel as opposed to paper because it was just more fun for the kids to see a little chicken go flying as opposed to a hole in a piece of paper. Many times moms and dads accompanied the kids and were also given a chance to shoot. Most had never handled a firearm before. Even the parents attitudes changed once they hit a target. We even had families join the club and use the range.

Teaching folks about the fun side of firearms is the only way that our hobby will survive the next few generations.

 

[JSR III]

Even Ruger and SMITH & WESSON stabbed us in the back

Just to clarify, when Smith and Wesson signed the Clinton agreement, the company was owned by British Tompkins, PLC. They were facing law suits from somewhere around 50 cities and towns over the liability of gun companies in firearm incidents. The corporate lawyers advised management that merely preparing to defend each lawsuit could cost the company $50,000 each. This did not include the cost of actually defending the suit but just getting ready to.

So with prep fees only, approaching $2,500,000, the company management felt it could not financially survive these suits going to trial and signed the agreement. A difficult choice but had they not signed, there would probably be no Smith and Wesson today. All of those employees would have been out of work.

 

[TTSH]

How old are you? If you are over 40, then how good is your memory? Many of us have already "been-there-done-that".

I'm as old as the hills... but how good is my memory? At this age, I can barely even remember the question.

Remember, we live with a continuing Federal AWB here in MA plus much, much worse. It's a toss-up whether MA is the absolute worst anti-2A state of all or just one of the top 5. Things are changing so fast these days it's hard to keep up.

For you folks out there in what's left of "Free America"... yes, it was probably worse for you during the 1994-2004 Federal AWB than it is for you today. But watch out! Certain billionaires and their newfound useful idiots are not done with us yet. Not by a long shot. I think they would tell you that it's only the beginning of their new campaign to obliterate our Second Amendment rights... and it appears they have won at least the first few battles.

 

[500SNW]

Certain billionaires and their newfound useful idiots are not done with us yet. Not by a long shot. I think they would tell you that it's only the beginning of their new campaign to obliterate our Second Amendment rights... and it appears they have won at least the first few battles.

Fortunately, we don't yet live in a country where the aristocracy or the media can change laws or The Constitution. Let them talk their anti-gun gibberish all they want.