Dancing FBI agent in custody
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He was only permitted to carry a firearm concealed within his official capacity/duty. If not all LEO's would have to obtain concealed carry permits. But when it boils down to it, it all depends on how the jury votes, and I know which way I would vote. The FBI holds responsibility for how their agents present themselves 24 hours a day. I have no doubt there were warning signs in his work that he was an unsafe.
Nothing will change my opinion on this reckless agent, so we will have to agree to disagree.
Nothing will change my opinion on this reckless agent, so we will have to agree to disagree.
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keith44spl
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This agent is not the first LEO to get caught on a cell phone camera
doing something he should have not been doing.
This agent is not the first LEO to accidently shoot a bystander.
I think it was his back flip that caused all this commotion.
If he had jest left that out of his dance routine.
We all would be discussing bear vs alligator guns.....
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doing something he should have not been doing.
This agent is not the first LEO to accidently shoot a bystander.
I think it was his back flip that caused all this commotion.
If he had jest left that out of his dance routine.
We all would be discussing bear vs alligator guns.....
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sigp220.45
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This is correct. The Bu will find he was acting outside the scope of his employment (he was on leave from the Washington Field Office). They can produce copious proof he was trained not to pick up his Glock by the trigger. As strange as it sounds, if he was carrying in a non-approved holster they can "outside the scope" him for that. I've seen them jam people for good shootings because of a non-approved holster.
The Bu may still offer a new-truck-sized payment to make this go away. If the shot guy wants to slug it out in court it will be for whatever a newbie FBI agent (soon to be ex-agent) has in his pockets.
This young Army veteran, Jerry Fallwell University graduate, dancing machine is well and truly hosed. He did something stupid while working for an agency that people love to hate, and will pay for it.
When I started with the Bu in 1991, my training agent told me "it's a one-mistake Bureau".
I'm glad I've never done anything stupid.
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You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but not your own facts. I agree that he was reckless, but there's been no mention as to whether or not that was even a government pistol. Many officers obtain CCW permits to carry beyond the scope of official duties. We had to before LEOSA. As an example, short of the negligent discharge, everything else that occurred in that bar is perfectly legal in Missouri. I know what you would like the law to be, but that's simply not the case. As for being on a jury, you take an oath to follow the instructions and the law that the Judge gives you. When that doesn't happen, we have anarchy . . .
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jimbo728
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At least he can jump. Maybe Star Search is in his future.
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He was not in Mo he was in Denver, a completely different demographic, and different laws. Denver on top is a very anti gun city, any lawsuit will be in that jurisdiction. The judges, juries, will have a different perspective than they would in Mo.
There was no mention of him having a concealed permit, and if he was in fact drinking it was illegal in Co. Not sure if it was his or FBI issue firearm but it certainly looked like a Glock 19 standard issue for FBI. I don't think it matters whether it was his gun or the FBI's, the FACT is he was carrying under FBI authority as a special agent.
IIRC LEOSA the carrier must obey ALL local, and state laws.
There was no mention of him having a concealed permit, and if he was in fact drinking it was illegal in Co. Not sure if it was his or FBI issue firearm but it certainly looked like a Glock 19 standard issue for FBI. I don't think it matters whether it was his gun or the FBI's, the FACT is he was carrying under FBI authority as a special agent.
IIRC LEOSA the carrier must obey ALL local, and state laws.
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If there is something in LEOSA that relates to this incident then please cite. The very fact he was arrested would indicate that LEOSA does not excuse breaking the law.
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Its not illegal to carry a gun in a bar in Colorado. Being "under the influence" of either alcohol or weed while armed is a misdemeanor. The magic number when driving is .08, like most other places. The statute for being armed under the influence doesn't provide a BAC level.
I don't think anyone here has seen SA Bishop's BAC. As a recently retired Denver SA, I can say I've been to quite a few after work events, attended by bosses, where agents had a drink while armed. Never saw any backflips, though.
He was charged with assault, not being drunk and armed.
I don't think anyone here has seen SA Bishop's BAC. As a recently retired Denver SA, I can say I've been to quite a few after work events, attended by bosses, where agents had a drink while armed. Never saw any backflips, though.
He was charged with assault, not being drunk and armed.
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Don't you think highly educated prosecutors would have researched before issuing a warrant. No prosecutor wants to loose a case even to an affirmative defense. Still no citation as to where LEOSA is a defense in this case.
I never said LEOSA was his defense. I explained why officers covered under LEOSA might get a CCW permit. You asked me to explain how LEOSA might apply, and I mentioned that in several states LEOSA was an affirmative defense. I could explain what that means, but I choose not to. Your mind is made up, which excludes you from jury service. In this country, the Constitution still states one is innocent until proven guilty under the applicable law, admissible evidence and testimony, and proper jury instructions.
Done here . . .
keith44spl
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The Law Enforcement Officers Safey Act, I believe allows us (LEOs)
to be armed in other judications and or location other that our duty station judication.
I don't believe it gives any of us a free roll, if or when we commit stupid in the first degree.
Or any other violation of the criminal code or civil dis-obedience.
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to be armed in other judications and or location other that our duty station judication.
I don't believe it gives any of us a free roll, if or when we commit stupid in the first degree.
Or any other violation of the criminal code or civil dis-obedience.
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Wee Hooker
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The whole incident should serve as poster child case for the importance of manual safety's. Never did get why they have gone out of favor with LE (and new shooters).
venomballistics
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possibly ... but I feel that if it is an example of anything, far above this, its a lesson in not drinking on an empty head.
In the course of some days, Ive have safety's disengage due to wardrobe malfunction and activity.
Ive never had an ND because I maintain proper gun handling.
I would be perfectly confident carrying a Glock. I don't carry them because I dont like them enough to own one.
Competency .... THAT is the issue here
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He should've been arrested and jailed that same night it happened. Don't know why he wasn't, unless the cops decided to give him a break because he was FBI or maybe they figured the feds would try to spin it to where he didn't look like such a complete fool.
Maybe in the future, he can get a job as some pro ball team's mascot or something, who knows.
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He should've been arrested and jailed that same night it happened. Don't know why he wasn't, unless the cops decided to give him a break because he was FBI or maybe they figured the feds would try to spin it to where he didn't look like such a complete fool.
Maybe in the future, he can get a job as some pro ball team's mascot or something, who knows.
The guy messed up. Stupid, criminal, negligent, accident, however you want to term it; it was unfortunate. Two lives were changed, that does not mean the solution is the guillotine.
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only if being an idiot is a job requirement
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