Another mass shooting in Florida.

[woodsltc]

I'm not making light of the Jacksonville incident, but in reality it pales in comparison to what has been going on in Chicago on a daily basis.


Don

 

[500SNW]

I'm not making light of the Jacksonville incident, but in reality it pales in comparison to what has been going on in Chicago on a daily basis.

I found a very interesting street-level documentary about youth and guns in Chicago's South Side. I've always wanted to post it here, but the language would surely get it banned.

 

[Watchdog]

SAD! More proof we need to get these abominable video games out of these young people's hands and get them outside where they can learn of nature and interact with REAL people!!!

I would be interested in hearing your suggestions as to how to remove the "abominable" video games from young people's hands. And at what age would we start? Seriously, how can this be accomplished? The answer is really simple: It can't.

Also, what other personality-influencing things would be next to be removed from their hands? Books? Films? Certain television shows? Computers?

There's no practical way to eliminate things we might think to be a bad influence on people, young or old. We tried that with the 18th Amendment.

We aren't ever going to turn younger generations into clones of ourselves. Ever. Period.

And as a final flip of that coin, let's slightly rephrase the idea:

"More proof we need to get these abominable guns out of people's hands..."

Sound familiar? We hear it every day, don't we? We don't like it, either, do we?

It will be interesting to see how this 24 year old got the gun. Was it his or a family members.

No details on that yet, other than it was a handgun. I'm thinking semi-auto. He was 24-years-old, though. Old enough to legally purchase a handgun.

 

[Telecaster]

Video games can be downloaded like (gasp!) 3D files for printing guns! Ban video game downloads!

[\sarcasm]

 

[JayFramer]

The old Nintendo games weren't violent (Mario) and often encouraged bonding with others with such games as Mario Cart.

Nowadays, it's an all-out onslaught of horrific violent games. Not what our youthes need.

 

[Rule3]

I would be interested in hearing your suggestions as to how to remove the "abominable" video games from young people's hands. And at what age would we start? Seriously, how can this be accomplished? The answer is really simple: It can't.

Also, what other personality-influencing things would be next to be removed from their hands? Books? Films? Certain television shows? Computers?

There's no practical way to eliminate things we might think to be a bad influence on people, young or old. We tried that with the 18th Amendment.

We aren't ever going to turn younger generations into clones of ourselves. Ever. Period.

And as a final flip of that coin, let's slightly rephrase the idea:

"More proof we need to get these abominable guns out of people's hands..."

Sound familiar? We hear it every day, don't we? We don't like it, either, do we?



No details on that yet, other than it was a handgun. I'm thinking semi-auto. He was 24-years-old, though. Old enough to legally purchase a handgun.

Of course we can control these things! The Government is there to protect us. We must have more laws and regulations (control) over video games, movies TV shows and books.


More studies are needed. We shall place the blame on the Motion Picture Industry and whatever industry there is for video games just like the NRA, it's all their fault.

You can then chant

Video Games do not kill people, People who play games and watch movies kill people.

We shall march on California!

 

[T rex]

I am only 56

We have 2 children born in the early 80's. I was raised around guns and hunted at an early age, same as our two ( girl and boy ). They understood the dangers of firearms. However as already stated everyone get a trophy no winners of losers! We taught our children that hard work and winning reeps rewards and you could not always come out on top. Our world has become increasingly difficult.parents need work long hours support their families. Less time to be with their children. Parents now depend on educators to instill values in their children, who are bound by politically correct agenda. No winners or losers,but reality does not work this way. Seems to me each generation becomes worse. Such a sad state of affairs. God help all who have been affected by this event!! We can only blame ourselves!

 

[wood714]

The old Nintendo games weren't violent (Mario) and often encouraged bonding with others with such games as Mario Cart.

Nowadays, it's an all-out onslaught of horrific violent games. Not what our youthes need.

I still love to play Super Mario World, was playing it earlier today. Never had any thoughts about murder and mayhem.

 

[soFlaNative]

The old Nintendo games weren't violent

I Never had any thoughts about murder and mayhem.

My most recent video game experience was Duck Hunt on the Nintendo or Play Station (can't remember) platform I bought my kids way back when and I would have been happy to blow that stupid dog to bits when it made fun of my misses.
Glad I never had an interest.


Like a previous poster said this should be a criminal / mental health issue and my thoughts and prayers are with those affected.

 

[DeathGrip]

Atari? I hated that dog and I usually like dogs.

 

[HOUSTON RICK]

As we "overload them with ridiculously unrealistic expectations"? Did you mean like acting like a human being, or....?
What are reasonable expectations? Should we hook them to feeding and watering machines and place game controllers in their hands, virtual reality goggles?
Like human veal?
I'm sorry, I seem to have asked quite a few questions in response to your observation...
I am starting to be convinced that the technology we have embraced is just too damn much for us, we are TOO connected, too much instant gratification (or instant rage, and acting on it)
Technology is killing us, but unlike The Terminator, it's not machines or robots. It's us.
And I don't see a way out.
And evil guns, of course...

My point is that we do not keep score in games and tell kids that "everyone won", our schools we pass kids who make substandard effort under the guise of "no child left behind", we fill their heads with "you can be anything that you want to be" and leave out the effort involved, it is if the job our achievement of their choice is simply their right by desire like ordering an ice cream cone. Then they come up into the real world and feel "cheated" when they are not the world's best at what they want to do. Of course anything they do when they get mad is not their fault.

There were loners and violent play before technology, the difference now is that we remove the responsibility for their non-conforming behavior, because it was a "pencil that broke in 3rd grade" or "their parents divorce" or a pet that died 10 years ago that caused it.

My friends and I played soldiers with toy guns all the time and no one shot anyone because we knew it was stupid and we would fry for it - if we survived our fathers.

 

[OMCHamlin]

My point is that we do not keep score in games and tell kids that "everyone won", our schools we pass kids who make substandard effort under the guise of "no child left behind", we fill their heads with "you can be anything that you want to be" and leave out the effort involved, it is if the job our achievement of their choice is simply their right by desire like ordering an ice cream cone. Then they come up into the real world and feel "cheated" when they are not the world's best at what they want to do. Of course anything they do when they get mad is not their fault.

There were loners and violent play before technology, the difference now is that we remove the responsibility for their non-conforming behavior, because it was a "pencil that broke in 3rd grade" or "their parents divorce" or a pet that died 10 years ago that caused it.

My friends and I played soldiers with toy guns all the time and no one shot anyone because we knew it was stupid and we would fry for it - if we survived our fathers.

I guess I see what you mean. We're not giving them a fair introduction to "life", is what you are getting at. I suppose I would have to agree then...
We ARE making monsters, that is plain.

 

[Dutchboy901]

Another example as to what happens when you raise & teach children that everyone gets a trophy or ribbon, just for showing up, even if you don't win! Then when they get out into the real world and realize that sometimes you might just loose, it's a position or reality that is foreign to you and you are unable to handle it!

Being unable to cope or handle it, you throw a tantrum, get a gun and start killing because you did not get a trophy or a ribbon, like you did growing up!

This is also another example of how easy someone can acquire guns, regardless of how many Laws are on the books. If ya want a gun, it ain't that hard to find one!

 

[JH1951]

Of course we can control these things! The Government is there to protect us. We must have more laws and regulations (control) over video games, movies TV shows and books.


More studies are needed. We shall place the blame on the Motion Picture Industry and whatever industry there is for video games just like the NRA, it's all their fault.

You can then chant

Video Games do not kill people, People who play games and watch movies kill people.

We shall march on California!

I understand your sarcasm here clearly, and it pretty much gives a snapshot of our society here today.
The second part to this perhaps should address that parents are turning over to quasi-government agencies the responsibility to educate, discipline, advise, and guide the youth of today. The lack of parental discipline. or even simple parental involvement, seems to contribute to our problems.
A common thread among us geezers seems to be that we never even considered acts that kids are performing today. Why? Because there were consequences if we acted poorly. Parental involvement is part of the equation whether it is popular to talk about or not. "Wait until your father gets home" is rarely uttered any more, and there are reasons for that, too...... It's not as simple as banning video games by passing a law. It may be as simple as mom and dad actually agreeing that their rules stand, and 'Not under my roof" prevails. But, how simple is that when mom and dad probably don't share the same roof and are in competition with the offspring to be the 'good parent' ? Gets complicated and murky, doesn't it? It's the hot 'tater nobody wants to touch. So, if there is any merit to the suggestion that our social mores have changed and become part of the problem we face, what's the fix there? This is the beginning of a book, so I'll stop here.

 

[nachogrande]

SPIN THE WHEEL OF WAYS TO DIE.

This is also another example of how easy someone can acquire guns, regardless of how many Laws are on the books. If ya want a gun, it ain't that hard to find one!

WOULD YOU RATHER DIE FROM: being stabbed, burned, bombed, gassed, bludgeoned, etc. etc. ???
There's any # of ways a dedicated nut case could find & employ a way to do you in. I just might prefer a gunshot to be my cause of death than say, CANCER.

 

[ImprovedModel56Fan]

We always want to think these shooters are stupid. But somehow, they pick a place where the occupants are known to be unarmed and unable to defend themselves. How long will this go on before we hold the people partially liable that took away your right to defend your family. Some Most of the stupid here is the people making the rules.

Altered to a slightly different view.

 

[Trooperdan]

The shooter had documented mental issues including at least two multi-weeks stays in mental treatment facilities; no way he was legally able to purchase a gun.

 

[Czechvar]

The shooter had documented mental issues including at least two multi-weeks stays in mental treatment facilities; no way he was legally able to purchase a gun.

The story also said he purchased a 9mm and a 45 at the same time from a licensed Dealer in Maryland. I thought Maryland required a 30 day wait between guns. That and the Mental Health issues don't add up. I thought Maryland was pretty darn strict...

Early 20's seems to be a common time for signs of Schizophrenia to show up.

 

[Muss Muggins]

An often misunderstood portion of the law. Here is the exact quote from 18 USC 922(g):

(4) who has been adjudicated as a mental defective or who has been committed to a mental institution

Each of those conditions described above is a separate term of art, with a specific meaning within the law. A stay in a mental treatment facility, regardless of length, likely won't meet the requirement. "Committed" means you can't leave, and I doubt that was the circumstance here . . .

The shooter had documented mental issues including at least two multi-weeks stays in mental treatment facilities; no way he was legally able to purchase a gun.

 

[Telecaster]

The shooter had documented mental issues including at least two multi-weeks stays in mental treatment facilities; no way he was legally able to purchase a gun.

The 4473 asks if you're an unlawful user of controlled substances, and if you've been adjudicated mentally defective (a court proceeding) or committed to a mental institution.

In the explanation, it says if you go voluntarily or go for observation, you're good to go. You have to be involuntarily committed by a court, board, commission, or lawful authority to be ineligible for a gun transfer.