I hope there was a very good reason.....

[rwsmith]

That's an excellent idea...

The instructor of my concealed weapons class said a number of times: don't tell anyone, not even your "best" friend that you carry, nor what kind of gun you carry. It takes one phone call from that former "best" friend to the police, telling them that you pulled your "S&W snubnose model 36 with the fancy grips from the concealment pocket of his jacket," and threatened her, for you to end up in jail trying to deny the whole thing.

Or, like this case, shot dead for thinking too much of yourself when the police come knocking.

The only outward sign that I have any guns here is when I carry the rifle (covered, but the cases are BLACK!) to and from my car.

 

[rwsmith]

This is pretty new....

That's a question for the courts to decide. Has there been any success in challenging them in court?

Courts are where we get due process defined.

This is pretty new. And a precedent won't be set unless people stop trying to outdraw the police.

Personally, the best course for me and everybody (including you) would be to let them take it, then raise ABSOLUTE HELL. You can't argue rights when you aren't alive to do it.

Cases like this just make me think that people will take this as "Well, he shouldn't have had a gun, just like they said." So sticking around is better than going out blazing.

 

[rwsmith]

Don't be.....

eventually, confiscation will be tried in many places.
i'm real sorry now that i open carry.

For me, I don't want to open carry. But don't be put off by people trying to push the law more in their favor. That's just giving in.

As much as I read and hear about people who want to have a reason to confiscate guns or render them inert, like outlawing ammo, primers and such, I know damn well what their ultimate goal is. And any little crack that they can drive just the tip of a wedge into is victory for them.

 

[rwsmith]

But you need.....

Note that the "Red Flag" laws can hold many pitfalls for an otherwise innocent gun owner. They basically suspend one's constitutional rights without due process.

But you need to go through 'due process' (read 'expense' and 'years of time') to prove your innocence and get your guns back, all messed up like was posted before.

 

[rwsmith]

Certainly the police want to go home.....

....after a long day of prying guns out of cold, dead hands. That gets tiring after a while. (Kidding....I THINK)

 

[Muss Muggins]

Wouldn't that mean one of his sisters?

The aunt of the man's niece could be his wife. Or his brother's wife . . .

 

[Muss Muggins]

What happens if the police show up at the door of the subject of the confiscation proceeding, and he says, "Gentlemen, I never heard anything about this. Call my lawyer at 555-555-5555, and have a good day", and then proceeds to close the door?

Since this probably comes with a confiscation order and a summons to appear, the court then authorizes a search warrant for the firearms and a body attachment warrant for the hearing (or in Missouri authorizes a 96-hour involuntary mental health evaluation commitment), and the door ceases to exist in one piece . . .

 

[BigBoy99]

Just another reason why I'm glad I left MD when I retired 15 years ago!

 

[Doug627]

Golddollar: If you close the door in the officers' faces and refuse to comply with the confiscation order, you will get a visit from S.W.A.T. You be in the news as a barricade situation. They will gain entry to your home and the firearms will be confiscated. If you are still alive, the rest of your life will be ruined. You will most likely spend time in prison, not jail, and after release not be permitted to possess firearms for the rest of your life.

 

[Bubba2014]

I feel very fortunate to live in in S.C. Our gun laws here are very reasonable, and law abiding people can carry handguns in the glove compartment, and I believe in the center consoles of their vehicles without a permit. I've been retired 14 years and I don't think we have any law here like Maryland has. We all need to stay alert to what laws our liberal politicians will try to enact.

 

[vt_shooter]

I'm old and tired and cranky, but not suicidal. If I did want to off myself, suicide by cop is unreliable. If I am ordered to put down or hand over a gun, it will be "Yes sir, right away, sir."

If a cop tells you to put a gun down, you're a nanosecond away from being shot. Not a wise move to spend that nanosecond saying "yes sir" or putting the gun down - you drop the gun quicker than you'd drop a red hot rock. Then you might say "Yes sir, right away, sir".

 

[nachogrande]

TOTALY YOUR RIGHT...

Within your rights to, bang babang bang, ARGHH. Having a gun in hand when cops show up increases the odds of you being shot. Refusing their commands in a situation like this practically garrantees it. WITHIN HIS RIGHTS AND DEAD???

 

[HOUSTON RICK]

I would be very angry at having my firearms confiscated, but I will not be shooting it out with the police or military. No such law in Texas yet. As mentioned above, not knowing the facts as to whether he actually complied, I know nothing about this case.

 

[Golddollar]

Golddollar: If you close the door in the officers' faces and refuse to comply with the confiscation order, you will get a visit from S.W.A.T. You be in the news as a barricade situation. They will gain entry to your home and the firearms will be confiscated. If you are still alive, the rest of your life will be ruined. You will most likely spend time in prison, not jail, and after release not be permitted to possess firearms for the rest of your life.

What you and Muss described as probable outcomes should scare everybody.

 

[joeintexas]

I see this as a very bad law, putting LEO's in increased danger and jeopardizing their safety even further, not to mention law abiding citizens as well. Bottom line is now and always has been, when an officer tells you to put your weapon down it is a good idea to do so. Greatly increases your chances to have breakfast at Waffle House tomorrow!

 

[susieqz]

you guys can be critical all you want but the fact stands that gary willis was a martyr.
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[rwsmith]

I like the gun laws here in SC....

I've had a horrible thought. I've been raving how great it is to have businesses and factories going up all over the place and bringing people to the area as well as retirees. A great many of them are from 'other' states, possibly changing the demographics. Is this going to backfire on us like it did in Austin and in Colorado? All I need is for my state to be awash in gun grabbers. I'm only saying this in the context of gun laws. This thread will be locked or gone if we start talking the 'p' word. For some reason that happens to my threads a lot so let's be careful. PLEASE!

PS: Though our employment and everything here is doing so well, the TRAFFIC in the area is horrendous. Somebody 'built' a ready-made town between us and Summerville called 'Nexton' and people are moving in like crazy. They just put in a corridor from the interstate to the 'industrial' area on highway 176 around Caine Bay. Anybody familiar with the area would know it as the road to St. Stephens.

PPS: The same thing is happening above Mt. Pleasant, right next door to Charleston. The place is full of money and the traffic is swear word producing.

 

[Fishslayer]

I guess in the history of law enforcement, the police have been charged with disarming citizens for no other reason than to disarm them. So surely they have the legal authority to do so. What it somebody that just 'didn't like guns' called the police on this guy. This sounds like the same bill that was proposed in Utah to take guns from citizens that other reported as risky.

This should put to rest the idea that cops "would never enforce something as unconstitutional as gun confiscation."

Only it won't be "confiscation." It will be "getting guns away from people deemed dangerous."

 

[Muss Muggins]

you guys can be critical all you want but the fact stands that gary willis was a martyr.
.

Pretty sure nobody here knows Gary Willis's actual mental health state at the time of the incident, and certainly nobody here knows whether or not he actually committed a felony before the police showed up to enforce the order of the court. That doesn't make him a martyr . . .

 

[brjr51]

Only it won't be "confiscation." It will be "getting guns away from people deemed dangerous."

Yep, what’s the red line you cross to be deemed dangerous? Argument with a family member, posting or visiting certain websites, ???