Should I be upset?

rifmon

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I am upset but I am asking people here for an opinion on whether I should be or not.

I bought a used 686-6 3 inch. I made sure the barrel was straight but later noticed there was another manufacturer's defect; The rear sight unit is off center on the frame. For correct POI/POI windage I need to move my sight towards the right.

So the frame was milled wrong....not an easy fix.

I called S&W on a whim, and described the issue. I was told it was not a common defect but that it does exist. I even told the person that I doubted there was anything that could be done to fix the issue but that every time I looked at the barrel, the off centered rear sight was all I saw.

The person said that the guns go out to be functional and also to be aesthetically pleasing. He invited me to send photos of the gun at various angles and that if it was decided that a problem existed, I would get a shipping label. I asked the person what would be done to correct the problem and I was told that they would make a new frame. I was pretty surprised and happy at this response!

I took pictures, and sent it to the person by email. The next morning, I received a label. Then I received an email from the person I spoke with providing me the direct extension if I had any questions.

Less than three weeks later, I received my 686 back. I opened the box and found they did nothing. The repair slip stated the problem as off-centered rear sight and that the gun was test fired...."no repair needed"

I did not claim that there was a functional issue on the phone or on my written note included with the gun. I was told that it was a cosmetic issue that would be addressed and my pics evidently warranted a return label.

BTW, I was not asked if I was the original owner and I did not provide the information that I was not.

The next morning used the extension to speak with the person who looked at my photos and sent me the label. A receptionist answered and asked for my name. I was put on hold and after a while the receptionist asked "what did I want?". I thought that was a little weird - what did I want... What did that matter??? Anyway, I explained that I wanted to talk with the person regarding a repair slip on my 686. At that point, I was put through but the phone rang on to voice mail. I left a message explaining who I was and that I received the gun back with nothing done. I did state I was confused and diss pointed and then I left my phone number for a call back. This was early in the Friday morning. The entire day passed with no response. I am getting the feeling I was dodged.

I consider myself to be a reasonable person. I just wanted to talk with the person who invited me to send pics on a cosmetic issue who in turn, sent a label confirming the issue. But the gun then went on to be FUCTION tested. This was NOT why the gun was sent back to S&W.

I guess I'm most disappointed that I was not given the courtesy of taking my call and then not receiving a return call for some sort of explanation. After all, I wasn't expecting much on my initial call to customer service, but the return label and discussion of cosmetic issues as a valid reason for accepting the gun led me to believe it would be fixed. But seeing that once they received it, the gun was judged solely upon function is sort of a disconnect. All I really needed was to talk to the initial person to express my disappointment or to see if a mistake was made. The circumstance was one thing but the non response is really off-putting to me.

OK sorry for my long issue. Should I be upset or am I too whatever? (fill in the blank.)
 
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I would give them a few days to get back to you. If they don't I'd ask to speak to a supervisor. You have a right to be pissed off if they then do not get back to you.
 
A question for you, rifmon.

When you sent your 686 back to Springfield did you include a detailed letter of your perception of the problem, along with copied of the photos you had originally sent?
 
i am just curious how far does the windage need adjusted?

I rested the gun initially to sight it in. I did not record it thinking I'd remember. I just checked it and it;s 4 clicks to t right.... not much I know. Really not sure if they adjusted them at all when they test fired it. The next range trip will tell me.
 
A question for you, rifmon.

When you sent your 686 back to Springfield did you include a detailed letter of your perception of the problem, along with copied of the photos you had originally sent?


I wrote down in the note that the sight unit was off centered by approx 1 mm to the left and also included that I discussed the matter by phone and named the person specifically. I did not include printed pics of the photos though.
 
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You can be as upset about things as you want to be....it's an American's privilege . Righteous Indignation is required for anything real or imagined.

Daddy told me.." Boy there ain't nothing in life that's perfect...might as well learn that right now ! "

haha true.... I might get used to it. My son is a farrier and makes his living working with metal fabrication. He laughed when he saw it and said it was too bad but he could live with it.... I may need to adapt to it in the end. thanks. I was more put off by the non response after getting my hopes up. Maybe I'll still get a call back. Communication goes a long way in customer service. Non response is asking for a dissatisfied customer.
 
I have a 686-6 that has pretty much what you have. Been to S&W and got same answer. Every time I looked down the barrel it would just @#$& me off.
Took rear sight off, installed a Weigand rail, installed a reflex and it is a tack driver now.
I know this isn’t for everyone but it worked for me and at my age I don’t need blood pressure getting up.
 
looking at my photos I'm pretty sure they adjusted my rear sight so it might be more like 8 clicks...I'll need to rest it again because initially, it was one inch to the lft at 7 yrs. I should have recorded my right clicks
 
I have a 686-6 that has pretty much what you have. Been to S&W and got same answer. Every time I looked down the barrel it would just @#$& me off.
Took rear sight off, installed a Weigand rail, installed a reflex and it is a tack driver now.
I know this isn’t for everyone but it worked for me and at my age I don’t need blood pressure getting up.

Nice fix.... but for an AIWB carry gun that will not work for me.
 
A NON RESPONSE???

I think expecting to talk to the same person within 1 working day and a Friday to boot is just not fair. She may have been home sick/on vacation/helping someone else/ in a meeting who knows. You are right being disappointed with the non repair & the all to common "it's within factory spec" BS. A copy of the conversation and a good POLITE explanation MAY have helped. Sounds like 1 employee not communicating with another. Wait til you get the original rep, explain your experience & displeasure, get a new label & do it all over AGAIN. Repeat as needed.
 
Good advice. My impatience and expectation of a return call was probably rooted in my disappointment. I’ll wait a bit and call later in the week.
 
One millimeter? Used gun? You assumed the same person you spoke to on the phone and who received the emails/pictures would be the one to open the package and evaluate your revolver for repair? I have heard a common S&W response to issues of this magnitude is that "the firearm is within factory specs."

I don't know how many people work in the warranty/repair section, or how many firearms they receive in a week, or how many phone calls they get from people with issues.

I suppose I'm too easy, but I have several firearms that require the rear sight to be slightly off-center to shoot to point of aim and that doesn't bother me. In some cases, it is not a factory "defect" but rather the way I shoot that particular gun.

It obviously is a problem for you, so you should probably continue to work with S&W for a resolution.
 
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I thought the purpose of adjustable sights was to be able to move the point of impact up or down depending on the load and left or right depending on variables such as shooter hold, eyesight, etc. If you want the sights perfectly centered maybe you ought to get a fixed sight gun and if windage needs adjustment so it the old fashioned way be a little barrel twist or bending the front sight like they did with the old Colt SAA's. In any event 1mm isn't something I would get my panties in a wad over. If it upsets you that much sell the gun and get a 681.
Everything needs adjustment-witness scopes on guns. You would no more expect to shoot dead center without some tweaking from the mount for the coarse movement and from the turrets for the fine tuning. Handgun sights are really no different.
 
Thanks for all your replies. I take them all seriously and have enough self awareness to know that I can become obsessed with things. I need to hear from others from time to time to get a reality check. The fact is the rear sight is slightly off but to my eyes it becomes distracting. I know there are others like me and there are others who see this as a functioning tool and don't give it a second thought. It's good to read from those who tell me I'm overly concerned and don't get my panties in a twist. haha. Here are there photos.

btw. in that first photo, you can see how far to the right (when viewed from the rear of the gun) I needed to adjust the rear sight. Not all the way but maybe in the middle of center to far right. At that adjustment the thing shoots straight and great.
 

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