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Bump Stock etc... "Banned"!
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This is what I am most interested in. I would like to think that particular question has been thoroughly vetted . . .
I think Sec 1 of the 14th A , and probably the 5th Amendment should cover that, but I'm not a a lawyer and didn't stay at a Holliday Inn last night.
Then again these are "modern times".
Then again these are "modern times".
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I see no use for high-heeled shoes, but others like them. What I have a use for is never the point.
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I'd as soon shoot with my eyes closed than put a bumpstock on my AR. Its banning by Trump doesn't form a blip on my radar.
I have never owned a bump stock but I have owned a .30 carbine and a .45ACP carbine and many times I have saw just how fast I could empty a 30 round mag. I killed a lot of tin cans and dirt banks. Why was that up to no good? As for the cost I worked and and bought my own shells so I don't see that the cost is any bodies business. The only shell I have ever wasted was one time I dropped a .22LR in a foot of soft snow and never did fine it. Larry
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Wasting ammo yes.
I have no use for bump stocks. BUT If they succeed in banning bump stocks they will go after something else.
Maybe the next thing they ban will
That's exactly what New Jersey is doing with their new capacity restrictions
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No one can "Make" you surrender anything. But you can become a felon real quick.
This is not as much about the practicality of bump stocks as it is giving more and more of our rights away. The take it away trend is clear, and it is not going to benefit any of us.
This is not as much about the practicality of bump stocks as it is giving more and more of our rights away. The take it away trend is clear, and it is not going to benefit any of us.
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Freedom.
It was nice while it lasted. I find it infuriating that not everyone sees this as a blatant abuse of power, but then again the pot has been simmering under the frog for some time now.
It was nice while it lasted. I find it infuriating that not everyone sees this as a blatant abuse of power, but then again the pot has been simmering under the frog for some time now.
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A "Ban" by regulation is what should make all of us concerned.
Lack of compensation should also make every one of us concerned. My legal education says the regulation will be struck down as an unlawful taking under the 5th amendment.
Lack of compensation should also make every one of us concerned. My legal education says the regulation will be struck down as an unlawful taking under the 5th amendment.
I am wondering what the legal basis is for the BATFE to "ban" bumpstocks. Federal agencies pass regulations all the time, the violation of which can mean serious jail time, so long as there is an enabling legislation from Congress. In this case, I wonder what the legislative authority is for the regulation.
Link to the regulation at the BATFE
Link to BATFE on bumpstocks
Here is the prefatory language explaining how the BATFE was legally able to change its mind. Supposedly, the earlier decision did not have extensive legal analysis, and now the BATFE is bringing "clarity." IMHO, if the BATFE cannot get it right the first time, the law is susceptible to being ruled void for vagueness.
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Never said wasting ammo was a bad thing. Have done some of that myself. I over reached saying the "up to no good" thing.
There's only been one use of a bump stock that I know of that was for no good. Should of said don't know what good they are for (ok, fun aside).
Could somebody school me on what they are used for?
Hunting, maybe trying to bring down a group of flying quail?
Target shooting, better have a big target.
Bringing out the manly-man that full auto shooting does? I know all about that, having carried a M16 for 18 months. Glad uncle Sam was footing the bill for that ammo
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Never said wasting ammo was a bad thing. Have done some of that myself. I over reached saying the "up to no good" thing.
There's only been one use of a bump stock that I know of that was for no good. Should of said don't know what good they are for (ok, fun aside).
Could somebody school me on what they are used for?
Hunting, maybe trying to bring down a group of flying quail?
Target shooting, better have a big target.
Bringing out the manly-man that full auto shooting does? I know all about that, having carried a M16 for 18 months. Glad uncle Sam was footing the bill for that ammo
How about owning one is fun?
How about owning one because it's a close to full-auto w/out shelling out thousands of $$$$?
How about owning one simply because we can (or at least used to)?
Never said wasting ammo was a bad thing. Have done some of that myself. I over reached saying the "up to no good" thing.
There's only been one use of a bump stock that I know of that was for no good. Should of said don't know what good they are for (ok, fun aside).
Could somebody school me on what they are used for?
Hunting, maybe trying to bring down a group of flying quail?
Target shooting, better have a big target.
Bringing out the manly-man that full auto shooting does? I know all about that, having carried a M16 for 18 months. Glad uncle Sam was footing the bill for that ammo
Doesn't matter what they're used for by the ATF's own definition they're not machine guns. They don't cause the gun to fire more than one shot per trigger pull they just make it easier to pull the trigger faster
I find it amazing and sad that people are so willing to give up the freedom to choose.
Incredibly. in the firearm community, there are lots of people who, personally, can't/won't/don't see a use for something, and will never own it or even consider owning, yet are so willing to give up their freedom, and the freedom of others, to choose whether or not to own it in the first place! They can't/won't see past their own bias.
As much as we, as a group, are portrayed by the anti-gunners and the media as evil incarnate and as hard as we are are fighting to keep our rights at all levels, local, state, and federal level, why would anyone willingly give up the tiny bit of freedom? Why?
"We must, indeed, all hang together or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately."
- Benjamin Franklin
Incredibly. in the firearm community, there are lots of people who, personally, can't/won't/don't see a use for something, and will never own it or even consider owning, yet are so willing to give up their freedom, and the freedom of others, to choose whether or not to own it in the first place! They can't/won't see past their own bias.
As much as we, as a group, are portrayed by the anti-gunners and the media as evil incarnate and as hard as we are are fighting to keep our rights at all levels, local, state, and federal level, why would anyone willingly give up the tiny bit of freedom? Why?
"We must, indeed, all hang together or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately."
- Benjamin Franklin
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They have to BUY them from you. They can take them if they compensate you. But they won't.
Well, we better ban belt loops on pants because you can do the same thing as a bump stock with your belt loop and finger.
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