What if they don't follow your commands?

[ColbyBruce]

So, your recommendation is to shoot them if they don't follow your commands?

I don’t know if that is a recommendation but it could be sound advice depending on the antagonist you are facing. Armed and up to no good; and most likely not going to change.

“Ain’t no rest for the wicked, ‘til they close their eyes for good”.

 

[keith44spl]

All this banter reminds me of a little deal long ago.

As a boy, I had this bay pony that bucked an throw'd me every time.

I told my dad, that I sure wished that horse would gentle down.

At five years old, I still remember what he told me.
"Son, ya better grow a backbone....
You won't get too awful far on a wishbone!"

Maybe y'all will get this here conundrum figger'd out purty soon.

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[fredj338]

It may make a differance in california......but fake or real, loaded or un-load doesn't make one bit of differance in the Commonwealth of Kentucky. You might want to re-read my post.

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You are not answering my question. You negligently kill someone & their family sues, the court must find you not guilty of that negligence in order for you to not pay anything. Why the fake gun thing comes into play. You do nothing, everyone lives. You shoot the wrong guy, I doubt you get by without a financial scratch. Anyone can sue anyone,. Whether or not they prevail is the question. It is not about a lack of back bone but about being smart.
I think many fail to understand what they read & how it may apply.

 

[fredj338]

So, your recommendation is to shoot them if they don't follow your commands?

I know what I would do, you have to decide for yourself. I know I would not sacrifice any tactical advantage I may have by yelling commands. All that does is tell the bad guys partner where you are.

 

[keith44spl]

fredj338,

What I posted applies only to a justified use of force under the KRS.

Sorry I confused you.

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[Camster]

keith44spl, it is unhealthy to live amongst trash. Trash attracts vermin, thus needs to be picked up and disposed of properly. I am all for this.

I think of them as cancer cells. No need to keep them alive under controlled conditions and then reintroduce them to healthy individuals.

 

[BAM-BAM]

So, your recommendation is to shoot them if they don't follow your commands?

This thread has gone on so long ..... it deserves... two to the chest,one to the head!!!

No one ever changes anyone's mind in these threads......

another Dead Horse Awards Thread......


We should all agree that each person should do what they feel is "right" for them given the actual circumstances they are facing at that moment...... and all of us should act within the scope of our personal physical capabilities and "gun handling" ability.

 

[M29since14]

Second! for the Dead-Horse Award. (Sheesh! )

 

[Muss Muggins]

So, your recommendation is to shoot them if they don't follow your commands?

Pretty sure that's what the majority of the posters on this thread think, even if they don't want to actually type it . . .

 

[686-380]

Rastoff does it again!

All in all, a good discussion.

 

[skipnsb]

While these discussions may not "change anyone's mind", I find it most interesting to hear the comments, and how others think. and makes me think.

 

[Skwirl]

I'll offer my simple interpretation.
My ccw permit is for self defense, it says so right on it. That means me, and mine. That means my girlfriend and her teenage son.
If I would find myself in a bad situation that directly threaten me and mine with harm and I have to pull my weapon, it will be fired to kill.
It's not a show and scare toy.
Would I use my weapon for anyone else?
I dont know, and I hope I never have to decide.

 

[usmc2427765]

If you or your family is not personally threatened, say nothing and be a good and healthy witness for LEO. Dead heroes rarely make good witnesses and it is sorta rough on the family.

 

[gonerydin]

No one has any idea what they will actually do in this situation unless they have actually done it. Anything else is just wishful thinking. The only rule in combat (if you pull your weapon, it’s combat) is that there are no rules.


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[tomrkba]

There have been a couple threads recently about stopping a crime in progress or apprehending a criminal. Those of us who carry a gun, do so for protection. We understand that we're not the police.

Here's a completely made up scenario...
While in the check out line at the local convenient store, the guy in front of you threatens the cashier and tells her to give him the money. She hands him some money. You present your gun and tell him, "Stop, drop the weapon and get on the ground!"

To your amazement he doesn't follow your commands and starts to walk out. What now?

Let him walk out.

 

[Smoke]

"Follow your commands".
You can rest assured they will not.
Maybe the first one...the split/second after that the BG
is figuring a way to take you out.

Once you pull your piece the fat is in the fire.
Best have what it takes to follow through.

So, your recommendation is to shoot them if they don't follow your commands?

You have to be deliberately stretching to get that interpretation, which shouldn't surprise me at all.

It's pretty clear to me that what's being said is if you draw at all you need to be fully prepared to fire.

Based on my minimal experience, if you're not you're probably going to get your weapon taken from you.

 

[eb07]

There have been a couple threads recently about stopping a crime in progress or apprehending a criminal. Those of us who carry a gun, do so for protection. We understand that we're not the police.

Here's a completely made up scenario...
While in the check out line at the local convenient store, the guy in front of you threatens the cashier and tells her to give him the money. She hands him some money. You present your gun and tell him, "Stop, drop the weapon and get on the ground!"

To your amazement he doesn't follow your commands and starts to walk out. What now?

If the firearm comes out, it is shooting time. There is no reason to draw and bark commands to save a store from getting robbed. I have no requirement by law in my state of residence to do so. Nor do I have a requirement to bark commands. I am not an LEO nor do I have backup coming. Be smart. It is either a threat to my life or it isn't. I can either safely egress or I cannot.

If I draw I am shooting because I am in fear of my life or my families life, I don't legally have to tell anyone to freeze, drop anything, get down, or put the weapon down. I can stand my ground and immediately defend myself by law if the threat is there. Draw and shoot or egress from the line of fire and or store. There is a time for words and a time for action. Act accordingly.

 

[BAM-BAM]

While these discussions may not "change anyone's mind", I find it most interesting to hear the comments, and how others think. and makes me think.

I agree.... but IMO this thread has reached a point of just putting others down and arguing that someone else's decisions are wrong. That level of post isn't productive, again IMO.....

Some here are sworn police officers many aren't;many different training and skill levels among the members. Not to mention that more than a few are 65 or older. There are a lot of factors go into each individuals decisions to act or not; and/or what and when to take action .

Learning from others experience and thoughts is one thing..... a good thing... but many of the comments here have become divisive and not really productive. Hence my comment about giving this thread 'two to the chest and one to the head".......if it's no longer constructive.... let it die or kill it!!!!

 

[Roller Delayed]

If the firearm comes out, it is shooting time. There is no reason to draw and bark commands to save a store from getting robbed. I have no requirement by law in my state of residence to do so. Nor do I have a requirement to bark commands. I am not an LEO nor do I have backup coming. Be smart. It is either a threat to my life or it isn't. I can either safely egress or I cannot.

If I draw I am shooting because I am in fear of my life or my families life, I don't legally have to tell anyone to freeze, drop anything, get down, or put the weapon down. I can stand my ground and immediately defend myself by law if the threat is there. Draw and shoot or egress from the line of fire and or store. There is a time for words and a time for action. Act accordingly.

So if you were in this store, the robber has the money and looks to be departing, you would keep your gun in its holster should you decide there is only money at stake?

What if he changes his mind? Are you going to quick draw then?

I get your major point, but I don't see why you wouldn't have your pistol discretely handy in case things change.

 

[biku324]

Distance, concealment, cover...don't be so focused on your sidearm that your mind is tied up in knots. Move and live; stand and you'll take whatever happens to you.