Home Invasion Prevention Suggestions

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Two points.

1. You've brought up moving to the mid-west as a way to get away from crime. Human behavior is pretty consistent. You may be surprised how high the crime rates are in small mid-western cities, towns, and rural areas. Lots of issues with meth and opioids. Crime follows. Frequently small town LEA's don't have the resources to deal with the problem like larger cities. Just sayin'.

2. There's lots of great info on this forum, but it seems like there's also a predisposition that no matter what your risk assessment is, someone says it's not "big" enough. If you've prepared for a single attacker, someone will ask, "what if it's four?" If you've prepared for a trained team of Spetnsnaz Navy Seal Green Berets, someone will ask "what if they bring the 10th Mountain Division?" Figure out what your realistic risks are and prepare for those. No matter what you decide those risks are, seems like someone always says "but what if..."
 
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We don't have any description of the OP's neighborhood. What kind of background? Is his home isolated? What makes it appear as such a good target of opportunity for prowlers amd or burglars? The suggestion for layers of security are fine:
Exterior fences?
Motion detector lighting/alarms?
Steel gratings on windows and doors- or steel doors?
Alarms on windows and doors?
Maybe just maybe a move to a more secure home site?
A CCW permit?

Did I miss anything?

I have had all of those suggestions installed on my own home here one mile North of the U.S.-Mexican border.
 
I have extra lights in my front rooms... both on timers, one has a screw in photo cell also. These lights run whether were home or not. IF we're home, we will turn on additional lights as perfered. At one time, my cousin lived 2 doors down... said she couldn't tell if I was home... from 200 feet away. Never let your home look unoccupied.
 
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There is only so much you can practically prepare for. I will spend no time preparing for the obscure.

If the 82nd Airborne, or the 1st Armored Division come after me, I will not prevail.

If everything goes well, I might handle a dozen. I can't handle 50. We must each decide at what level we are going to prepare. We are all responsible for our own salvation.

Just having a gun puts you ahead of most. DrDoctor doesn't need to become a high speed, low drag operator.

Welll hyperbole being what it is, a single unarmed attacker is the minimal threat. Training for just that, then think you ate ready to repel a serious home invasion, uh no. High speed low drag operator, no, but buying a gun & shooting a bit here & there isnt prepping you for a serious home invasion, which was his concern. Too many think it is as simple as buying a gun. They would be better off with the big dog if not committed to the training & practice a fiream requires.
 
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How did the second guy get on the garage roof? Has this been fixed?

Get your CPLs.

Get a driveway alarm.

Your firearms can be adequate so long as you don't shoot .410 in the judge, less than single-ought buckshot in the 12 ga., or exotic ammunition in any of them.
 
Not true, Fred. As the NRA has said for years, the mere presence of a firearm stops over 99% of confrontations, with no shots fired.

Presenting a Fanner 50 would work most of the time.

Differentiating between a home invasion and 'a serious home invasion' is a game I won't play.
 
Not true, Fred. As the NRA has said for years, the mere presence of a firearm stops over 99% of confrontations, with no shots fired.

Presenting a Fanner 50 would work most of the time.
Differentiating between a home invasion and 'a serious home invasion' is a game I won't play.

The two incidents sited were NOT home invasions. Generally a true home invasion is a rapid assault by multiple armed people. The mere presence of a gun is not likely deterring much, especially if in a rural area with no reasonable police response. Sounds like you advocate a bluff by just having th gun. That my friend is a terrible idea.
Despite what the nra says, sometimes you will have to use the gun. That requires some knowledge & skill. How much is the real question. I dont plan or train or prepare for a minimal problem, Regardless of the problem.
 
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We will be moving soon as the weather breaks and the first thing we did before moving was to fix the front motion detector lights and add ones to the back .. now the complete yard will be lighted at night when anyone walks within a few feet ..

Thugs don't like bright lights and will deter most of them before they get close to the buildings being illuminate ..
 
A few points that we’ve presented perhaps need further clarification – we both have physical challenges pertaining to our legs from respective different causes. Otherwise, we’re both relatively normal for people looking at 70 closer than we’d like.
All of our exterior doors are steel, with steel frames, and the doors interlock solidly with their frames when the doors are closed, and all have triple locks.
The shotgun upstairs is a .410, not a 12 gauge, not a 20 gauge. Neither of us intends on shooting at anything15-20 yards away, we’re focused on closer ranges – 10-20 feet. We’re continuing to focus our training with a scenario that’s more likely to occur in mind (as most have advised), which is 1-3 intruders. Should we experience a repeat of such a situation (thankfully, it’s been awhile since the last ones), we’re better prepared. We’re not training for an attack by an army, and should an army show up (which we both feel is most unlikely, as a few of you have also expressed), quite simply – we’re screwed!!! Knowing that, we feel that one must concentrate their efforts on scenarios with the greater probability of occuring, rather than wasting time on efforts to counter scenarios with the remote probabilities of happening.
The reason we’re relocating is I’m no longer practicing in healthcare (32+ years, and I hated almost every one!!!). We’re from the mid-west, and she still has family living there. We want a calmer, slower, sparser populated area. Even tho’ we live in what we now refer to as a “semi-rural” area, a couple of minutes by car, and we’re in very heavy “semi-urban” traffic. When we came here 20 years ago, it was quiet and serene, but the explosion of people here in the last 5+ years have ruined our once-enjoyable area, and since they’re not leaving – we are.
While we’d like to have a dog, fences are limited to a height of 4’ in our area, which we feel is a waste of our money for something so low. And we both refuse to walk a dog so he/she can “do their duty” in the rain/snow/cold/humid heat. But, I’ve got a Norwegian Forest Cat that’s 43” long from nose to tail, “16 tall at the shoulders, weighs in at a petite 32 pounds, and is very vocal whenever anyone rings the doorbell - so, would that be considered a “watch cat”? Just tho’t we’d throw that out for abit of humour.
To one and all – my wife and I have read your comments many times, and feel that every one of them was submitted with the best intentions in mind, and with genuine concern for our best interests, as well. Our hearty appreciation to each and every one!!!
 
And as my FBI friend sigp220.45 indicated, what you describe doesn't normally happen absent a reason, and that reason is generally criminal activity that interferes with the invaders and their criminal enterprise. There are rare, random fliers out there, which sigP220.45 pointed out, but the minor handful in the last decade have each made the national news.

People like to compare self defense planning to fires. They state "I'm not expecting a kitchen fire, but I've got a fire extinguisher . . . " And you might have a residential sprinkler system, which are becoming more common and actually required in some new construction.

I bet nobody has a fire truck parked out front, except maybe Burt Gummer. Reasonable preparations, which the OP is making and has made, are what reasonable people do. I'm certainly not hiding in wait for a home invasion. I'll just end up firing more rounds out of what I've got ready for the single burglar who made a mistake and thought I wasn't home, which is 99% of the problems people face

I choose not to prepare for or fear the 1%. I do anticipate it to a degree, as one should anticipate lots of things, but I figure everything I did getting ready for the 99% will keep me on my feet . . .

The two incidents sited were NOT home invasions. Generally a true home invasion is a rapid assault by multiple armed people. The mere presence of a gun is not likely deterring much, especially if in a rural area with no reasonable police response. Sounds like you advocate a bluff by just having th gun. That my friend is a terrible idea.
Despite what the nra says, sometimes you will have to use the gun. That requires some knowledge & skill. How much is the real question. I dont plan or train or prepare for a minimal problem, Regardless of the problem.
 
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My advice to anyone concerning home invasions: See if you can find
an NRA class in your area PERSONAL PROTECTION IN THE HOME.
It is an excellent class. I used to teach it. Everything you need to
know, and nothing you don't need.
If you can't find a class, at least order the NRA GUIDE TO THE BASICS
OF PERSONAL PROTECTION IN THE HOME. You will be glad you did.
 
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And as my FBI friend sigp220.45 indicated, what you describe doesn't normally happen absent a reason, and that reason is generally criminal activity that interferes with the invaders and their criminal enterprise. There are rare, random fliers out there, which sigP220.45 pointed out, but the minor handful in the last decade have each made the national news.

People like to compare self defense planning to fires. They state "I'm not expecting a kitchen fire, but I've got a fire extinguisher . . . " And you might have a residential sprinkler system, which are becoming more common and actually required in some new construction.

I bet nobody has a fire truck parked out front, except maybe Burt Gummer. Reasonable preparations, which the OP is making and has made, are what reasonable people do. I'm certainly not hiding in wait for a home invasion. I'll just end up firing more rounds out of what I've got ready for the single burglar who made a mistake and thought I wasn't home, which is 99% of the problems people face

I choose not to prepare for or fear the 1%. I do anticipate it to a degree, as one should anticipate lots of things, but I figure everything I did getting ready for the 99% will keep me on my feet . . .
Maybe this analogy will be helpful. All of us that are around guns should know how to deal with trauma & bleeding. While this does not require a medical degree & an OR, it does require more than buying a 1st aid kit & watching a you-tube video. Imo if it is serious enough to plan for, spend money & time on, then treat it as such.
You are correct, true home invasions are not really common, but burglaries are. I am taking the OP at his word that he is really concerned about more than some guy banging on his door. If that is the case, he is heading in the right direction, but needs to take it seriously. Train, practice repeat. Even at 80, certainly capable.
 
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WRMoore,
You sound like a researcher. Our decisions were based upon empirical research . . . .

Thanks, I think, I try to follow Chancellor Bismark's dictum of learning from the mistakes of others. I hope you noted the years (OK, decades) of LE Instructor experience.

Most of what you posted from your local instructor is good stuff. However, the 3 shots, 3 feet/yards (depends on source), 3 second thing is male bovine excrement. It does sound cool and is relatively easy for most folks to perform. In addition, you want to maintain distance from any intruder. Absent a CNS hit, most folks can manage 10-15 seconds of directed physical activity with a mortal wound-even a heart shot. There's no reason you/your wife should be within easy reach and even a guy in a foot cast can cover 21 feet in a couple seconds. The 5x5x5 drill sounds good......if the distance was 5 yards, not 5 feet.

Every person has to find their own salvation. Best of luck.
 
Thanks, I think, I try to follow Chancellor Bismark's dictum of learning from the mistakes of others. I hope you noted the years (OK, decades) of LE Instructor experience.

I've always liked this quote, sometimes attributed at least in part to Will Rogers. Its true origin is really undetermined . . .

"Good judgment often comes from experience, and experience often comes from bad judgment . . . "
 
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The shotgun upstairs is a .410, not a 12 gauge, not a 20 gauge. ...
So many posters kept saying "12 gauge 12 gauge 12 gauge" I thought you must have mentioned it somewhere that I missed. A .410 makes sense in your situation, considering that you wife may need to use it in an extreme circumstance. Not to mention that it can share ammunition with one of your handguns as well.

I think posts #80 & 81 are right on the money re: home invasions. You won't be facing Navy Seals. The type of person in a home invasion crew has no idea what honor and courage are. Just one blast from any of your firearms will (99+% of the time) send the ones that can still move scurrying like rats out the door and down the street. Naturally you train for fast follow up shots, that's why you have repeaters.
 
I've always liked this quote, sometimes attributed at least in part to Will Rogers. Its true origin is really undetermined . . .

"Good judgment often comes from experience, and experience often comes from bad judgment . . . "

First time I read that quote it was John Bianchi that claimed it.
But as you say, since then I have seen several others getting
credit for it, or something very similar.
 
Perhaps the OP should watch Paul Harrell's review of the Taurus Judge.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDJHS0_l8xY

Nah, I'll save him some time...

Paul uses a bunch of terrible ammunition that is designed for smoothbore shotguns with 18"+ barrels which predictably performs poorly out of the Judge's rifled 3" barrel, makes a bunch of unfair comparisons to the .357 Magnum, repeatedly states tjat there are better choices for revolvers chambered in .45LC completely ignoring that the Judge costs roughly half the amount of any other DA/SA .45LC Revolver currently on the market, and shoots it at distances well in excess of what anyone could ever find themselves having to shoot in a Home Defense scenario.

If that wasn't enough, he then goes on to make like 3 follow-up videos in which his biased becomes increasingly clear with each video as he repeatedly moves the goal lines down the field whenever the Judge exceeds his expectations, and ultimately loses all credibility when he finally tests ammo designed for the Judge, then when it actually performs well, he cracks out a 12 Gauge then acts as if it means something when the 12 Gauge predictably outperforms it in spades.

Honestly, I like Paul Harrel in general and am subscribed to his channel on YouTube, but his Judge reviews are absolutely terrible.

If TC actually wants to watch accurate videos on the Judge, then he should check out ShootingtheBull410's videos...

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=256aNCB4AVo[/ame]
 
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Muss Muggins,
I again agree . . . we must be kindred spirits. I always loved Will Rogers’ sense of humor, and logic. Crazyphil,
Good idea . . . I’ll look into that right away.
Fredj338,
Agreed . . .
W R Moore,
Thank you . . . Re: the “Rule of Threes”, “3 bullets” – I don’t disagree; “3 feet” – I’d also prefer abit more distance, say 10’; and “3 seconds” – that seems pretty quick to me, I think I could muster 5-6 seconds OK, but 3 seconds??? Hmmm . . . . as for the “54 Rule”, “5 shots” – OK; “5 seconds” – as mentioned, I can better accomplish that; “5 inch circle” – well, that might be optimistic, 10-12” is doable; “5 feet” – again, I’d prefer more distance, maybe 10’.
Jack Flash,
Agreed . . . my wife can handle the .410, but a 20 gauge – not happenin’ . . . And, as you and others have pointed out – time spent training for the 99% probability scenario is time well spent, vs spending time preparing for the anticipated 1% scenario.
Dirty Harry Callahan,
Excellent video!!! Thanks!!! I’ll admit that the Judge is a “close-quarters” gun. Pellets fired out of a rifled barrel, even a shallow-rifled barrel as with the Judge, will “halo” the further from the muzzle the pellets go. I’ve been told by the gun store owner, and the instructor (dependent upon the type of ammunition utilized), that it’s good out to about 10-12’, and that at about 15+” the spread is so significant as to become non-effective. That said – we’ve got 2 types of ammunition for the Judge (2½” cylinder, and short barrel) – 1) Federal Premium’s .410 Handgun 2½” 000 (4 pellets each shell); and 2) Hornady’s Critical Defense Triple Defense FTX.
CB3,
That’s one way to handle it . . .

Again, Thank You one and all for your support, your comments/suggestions, and your encouragement. We both appreciate it more than we can adequately express. Regards to you all . . .
 
Would you want to use a .36 caliber gun shooting 68 grain bullets* for self defense?

5 at a time doesn't make them any better. Inadequate is inadequate.

*Triple ought buck specs
 
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