Factors in Surviving Gunfights

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C&P of an old post I made on the Kansas CCW forum.

It has been my observation that when those of us who are into guns start talking about the defensive uses of guns, the only thing usually discussed is the caliber of the gun. I have read statements to the effect that caliber is crucial. Some folks seem to feel like this is the main factor in who will win or lose the fight if, God forbid, one occurs.

Hopefully, we can use this post to shed a little light on the subject. So, I am going to give you the most important rule of gun fighting right now. It is

Avoid them!!!

In spite of the 'castle doctrine' law that was passed the same year as Kansas' CCW law, saying in effect that we do not have a duty to retreat from anyplace that we have a lawful right to be, it is still a very good idea to retreat from the scene if you can do so without endangering either yourself or those that you have a duty to protect. The gun, which after a long and arduous process, you have finally won the legal right to carry, is there to protect your life or the life of your family in the event that the use of deadly force becomes necessary. It is not cowardly to retreat if you can; in fact, it shows prudence and good judgement on your part.

So, we now come to the question of what determines who wins a gunfight and who loses.
There are four main factors in surviving gunfights (always assuming that they cannot be avoided altogether). They are:

1. The willingness to shoot, sometimes called mental preparation. The most powerful wondergun in the world won't do you a bit of good if you are not willing to use it if you have to.

2. Sound tactics; i.e. the use of effective cover and/or concealment if there is any available. Don't be like Dirty Harry in Sudden Impact, standing dramatically out in the open with your 44 Auto-Mag. If your foe shoots while you are doing something as stupid as this, that Auto-Mag might as well be a Jennings 22.

3. Bullet placement. A hit with 38 special beats the hell out of a miss with a 500S&W. Likewise, a 32 bullet hitting your spine is going to do more damage than a 45 in the muscle of your leg.

4. Caliber. This is the least important variable. About all a heavier caliber will do as opposed to a smaller one is give you little more margin for error.

So, don't depend on caliber as the most vital factor. It is important, yes; but other things are far more important.

I only hope to God you never have to use this knowledge.
 
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This is about the most sensible advise on the topic I've read in some time.

Bad things can happen even in familiar settings amongst people we think we know.

I described a bad scene at my club recently. This was a stupid incident that should never have happened. The principle antagonist not only pulled a major safety blunder, he assaulted the guy who simply tried to warn him, verbally threatened him, and made it abundantly clear via his verbal and body language that he was quite willing to take it much further. That he was in possession of a concealed handgun leaves the possible outcomes quite frightening to imagine.

Crisis Intervention at the Range UPDATE 5/28!

The guy who was attacked happens to be an experienced CWP instructor, amongst other things. He is certainly capable of taking care of himself in a bad situation. In this case, he wisely evacuated from the scene. He wasn't afraid. He just knew the only way things could go otherwise was for the worst. It wasn't about "winning" a fight, it was about protecting one's self.

Thank you to the OP for sharing his insights.

Jim
 
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Good insight. Back in the day, as an academy firearms instructor, I was frequently asked: when can I shoot someone? I believe that many inexperienced people imagine themselves involved in an unexpected quick draw situation resulting in split second decision making. In truth, strong situational awareness will frequently give the prudent individual a chance to avoid conflict. For example, an LEO may only have to choose good cover before challenging a suspect to avoid a rushed decision. A civilian
has even better chances to avoid conflict since they can usually choose where they go and when they do so. True, mental preparation is key to managing a physical confrontation and anyone carrying a concealed weapon should seek training to be truly prepared, but part of that preparation is the skill of avoidance of risk. I guess what I'm saying is: prepare to be trapped but plan to avoid the conflict in the first place. I'm not out there to prove I'm tough, I'll do that by living a long life.
 
As a civilian, avoidance is certainly best. However, mindset is the key to winning. 1st one I was in as a cop, I was not prepared. Toe to toe, with my gun in hand, I was stunned when he pulled. Only a mechanical failure on his part gave me enough time to catch up. During a subsequent time, I was ready. Retired now and avoidance is my policy. But I will never get surprised again. One other observation from working many police shootings while in Homicide is also related to mindset. How can officers miss from short distances? My theory is that they do not really want to shoot a person. Again mindset. You have to want to win to win.
 
I believe it was Bill Jordan that stated in a gunfight you need to'' take your time in a hurry". Always remember that every round that leaves the barrel of your weapon has a lawyer tied to it. Many of my LEO comrades can testify to this, including ME!!
 
This has been around for a while. It's entitled USMC Rules for Gunfighting, but it certainly applies to civilian confrontations with a little modification. First time I've seen the rules for other branches of service added . . .

1. Bring a gun. Preferably, bring at least two guns. Bring all of your friends who have guns. Bring their friends who have guns.

2. Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice. Ammo is cheap. Life is expensive.

3. Only hits count. Close doesn't count. The only thing worse than a miss is a slow miss.

4. If your shooting stance is good, you're probably not moving fast enough, nor using cover correctly.

5. Move away from your attacker. Distance is your friend. (Lateral and diagonal movement are preferred.)

6. If you can choose what to bring to a gunfight, bring a long gun and a friend with a long gun.

7. In ten years nobody will remember the details of caliber, stance, or tactics. They will only remember who lived and who didn't.

8. If you are not shooting, you should be communicating, reloading, and running.

9. Accuracy is relative: most combat shooting is more dependent on "pucker factor" than the inherent accuracy of the gun.

10. Use a gun that works EVERY TIME. "All skill is in vain when an Angel pisses in the flintlock of your musket."

11. Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.

12. In combat, there are no rules, always cheat; always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.

13. Have a plan.

14. Have a back-up plan, because the first one won't work.

15. Use cover or concealment as much as possible. The visible target should be in FRONT of your gun.

16. Flank your adversary when possible. Protect yours.

17. Don't drop your guard.

18. Always tactical load and threat scan 360 degrees.

19. Watch their hands. Hands kill. (In God we trust. Everyone else, keep your hands where I can see them).

20. Decide to be aggressive ENOUGH, quickly ENOUGH.

21. The faster you finish the fight, the less shot you will get.

22. Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet.

23. Be courteous to everyone, friendly to no one.

24. Your number one option for personal security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.

25. Do not attend a gunfight with a handgun, the caliber of which does not start with a "4."

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US Navy Rules for Gunfighting

1. Adopt an aggressive offshore posture

2. Send in the Marines

3. Drink Coffee



US Air Force Rules for Gunfighting

1. Kiss the wife goodbye

2. Fly to target area, drop bombs, fly back

3. Grill some burgers and drink beer



US Army Rules for Gunfighting

1. See USMC Rules for Gunfighting

2. Add 30 days

3. Hope the Marines already destroyed all meaningful resistance

Here's the place I stole it from . . .

USMC Rules for Gunfighting (COMPLETE LIST) - Uncle Sam's Misguided Children
 
As jscott above said, awareness and tactics are #1... Trying to play catch-up to a gun already drawn is not good business. Having your gun in hand BEFORE the fight starts ends most "gunfights" before they start.

99.9% of the criminals in this world are cowards and will run at the sight of a gun. They are betting on total compliance. But there are those who will fight you to the end even if you have the advantage going into the fight...you just have to wanna win more than they do...

Best book I have seen on the subject of the at least 100 I have read is Tom Ginens "FIGHTING SMARTER". He put into words everything I have been teaching for the last 30 years...wish I could have done so as well as he has.

As to LEOs and civilians missing targets especially at short range...to me it is bad training and practice. This turns into fear when the time comes and fear turns into panic and missing your target out of fear of dying...and then you die... Don't fear dying, you won't panic and prevail...

Bob
 
Hopefully, we can use this post to shed a little light on the subject. So, I am going to give you the most important rule of gun fighting right now. It is

Avoid them!!!

Great list.
I have a slightly different view on this one point though. That is...the rules of gun fighting presume that "avoidance" wasn't possible. Gun fighting rules only apply to an actual gunfight.
 
I do not disagree with the OP, but I would add that the words, "situational awareness" are key to seeing what is about to happen and then making decisions on how to handle it.

Also, point #2 should include, "movement" as the top priority. Movement (Getting off the X) reduces the chances of the adversary landing a hit whether you shoot or not. Getting to cover is moving. Running away is moving. Moving tactically to gain an advantage in shooting, including diagonally toward one side of the shooter, is moving. When you have to press the mental "Go" button, moving is the first priority. Luckily it is often instinctive, but trained movement will usually be more effective than simple reactive movement.

Practicing on a square range does little for this critical component of prevailing in a gunfight. Shooting accurately while moving is a level of training few people practice.

Another critical component is to STAY IN THE FIGHT. Just because you are injured does not mean you will not prevail. An injury, even being shot, does not mean you are going to die. For the seconds-long duration of most gun encounters, you can continue to land effective persuasion against an aggressor. Win, at all costs, but with good mindset, training and equipment.

Finally, I have understood there were four "S's":

Stupid places
Stupid times (2 AM)
Stupid people
Stupid actions

Eliminate just one of these components and you decrease your chance of getting involved with problems (which is why "time" is important). Two of these = further reduction. Eliminate all four and if something does happen to you, you have been chosen to react appropriately. It's just your time.
 
I believe it was Bill Jordan that stated in a gunfight you need to'' take your time in a hurry". Always remember that every round that leaves the barrel of your weapon has a lawyer tied to it. Many of my LEO comrades can testify to this, including ME!!

That 2 tenths of a second to have good control before the first shot can and will make the difference.
 

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