Do recent events alter your perspective?

[Walkingwolf]

Why is it that anytime someone mentions a hi cap semi auto the terms "mag dump" or "spray and pray" come up. How about the ability to deliver 15 "well placed shots" instead of 5 or 6.

It has also been my experience in the shootings I have personal knowledge of multiple shots are more often then not required.

Just my .02

Because it only takes one well placed shot to stop a threat, the rest are due to inadequate accuracy. The question is~~does the person with the high mag cap gun have the self discipline to place an accurate hit, and stop once the threat is stopped. Many cases have proved this not to be the case. Some of the most proficient gun fighters used revolvers. As well as professional hunters who have stopped large and dangerous game with one shot. Heck even on a couple occasions bad guys have been stopped with one arrow.

 

[Muss Muggins]

What’s your hourly rate for personal security? I charge $75 an hour, but clearly some of my customers would be better served elsewhere . . .

Because it only takes one well placed shot to stop a threat, the rest are due to inadequate accuracy. The question is~~does the person with the high mag cap gun have the self discipline to place an accurate hit, and stop once the threat is stopped. Many cases have proved this not to be the case. Some of the most proficient gun fighters used revolvers. As well as professional hunters who have stopped large and dangerous game with one shot. Heck even on a couple occasions bad guys have been stopped with one arrow.

 

[Walkingwolf]

Sorry that is waaaay to optimistic. So now all we need is a single shot? Even well placed shots don't end fights with dedicated killers. It may take more & if the distance is close, the attacker will likely kill you before he dies of his well placed shot.

Poor accuracy means the attacker has little to worry about, once you are stopped, you are stopped. Your capacity then means nothing. I don't know where this idea comes from that high cap mags, and high power rifles turn people into superman. A single shot 22lr has taken a lot of game, and consistently dropped livestock on the killing floor, with ONE round.

Personally I train for accuracy on very small targets, and I train a whole hell of a lot. But then I grew up hunting rabbits with a cap, and ball revolver. If I can stop a running rabbit with one shot, I should have no problem using 5 or six to stop a large target with a head shot. As far as stress I stopped a charging pit bull with ONE shot. It can be done, but so many make excuses instead of learning. It is not responsible to miss, those rounds have to go somewhere. As a civilian I do not have qualified immunity to fall back on.

 

[Walkingwolf]

What’s your hourly rate for personal security? I charge $75 an hour, but clearly some of my customers would be better served elsewhere . . .

If you are not that confident, then maybe...

 

[Muss Muggins]

If you guarantee one shot stops and miss, you lose your house. I’ll send you some digits . . .

If you are not that confident, then maybe...

 

[Mister X]

Despite all the media attention, the odds of being involved in a mass shooting is exceedingly rare and being forced to engage even more so.

A high capacity auto would be the better weapon for shooting it out with an active-shooter at anything but contact distances, but I wouldn't let that have much influence on my choice. I still think a snub is probably the superior weapon for my lifestyle and the most likely scenarios I'll face as a civilian and my intention of trying to avoid trouble if I can rather than intentially getting into it like a cop would, although I can understand why someone would come to a different conclusion and select an auto and there are some reasonably likely scenarios where it might prove inadequate, but an autoloader comes with its own set of limitations. Neither is definitively right or wrong, it's just a matter of having different perspectives and determining what trade-offs make the most sense.

 

[Walkingwolf]

If you guarantee one shot stops and miss, you lose your house. I’ll send you some digits . . .

If I miss I lose my life...

 

[gasaman]

My basic question is: has anyone here that carries a revolver as an EDC given thought to switching to a semi-auto.

I switched from 6 reds in a 45acp snubby to a 40cal semi w/ 11 rds and a 10 Rd mag, back when that delivery truck drove down the bike path in New York.

 

[Muss Muggins]

Not necessarily . . .

If I miss I lose my life...

 

[686-380]

Thankfully, we live in a fairly safe environment. It would suck to have to worry whether someone would invade your home or being knifed in the back, while taking a leisurely stroll outside.

The media is playing both sides of the equation - sensationalizing the abhorrent actions of a few, while demonizing an entire segment of the population.

It's all about getting eyeballs and the resulting advertising dollars.

Neil deGrasse Tyson has been unfairly targeted for his spot on analysis of these types of shootings...more dollars for the media.

 

[Walkingwolf]

Not necessarily . . .

The ONLY time I would use a firearm is if my family, or my life was on the line. So most likely if my life is on the line, and I lose, I lose it all. I would not use a firearm for anything less than that.

 

[Muss Muggins]

I have truly lost track of your thought process here. Your response is duly noted . . .

The ONLY time I would use a firearm is if my family, or my life was on the line. So most likely if my life is on the line, and I lose, I lose it all. I would not use a firearm for anything less than that.

 

[Ματθιας]

Here are the numbers, 14,611 Americans were killed by guns last year, excluding most suicides, according to data collected by Gun Violence Archive, Like wise, according to the, National Safety Council, 40,000+ people were killed in traffic accidents. Out of a population of 330,000,000+, those numbers are statistically, insignificant. Bottom line, you are more likely to be killed in a traffic accident than being involved in "gun violence".

Even dying from melanoma is more of a risk.

 

[Mister X]

Here are the numbers, 14,611 Americans were killed by guns last year, excluding most suicides, according to data collected by Gun Violence Archive, Like wise, according to the, National Safety Council, 40,000+ people were killed in traffic accidents. Out of a population of 330,000,000+, those numbers are statistically, insignificant. Bottom line, you are more likely to be killed in a traffic accident than being involved in "gun violence".

Even dying from melanoma is more of a risk.

Also consider how many of those shootings were in inner city neighborhoods that most of us here would(or should) never visit.

 

[joeintexas]

After reading through all of these replies and seeing how the opinions differ greatly is it any wonder how divided our country is on the issue of firearms in general. As to reaction to witnessing a mass shooting we have some that would dive directly into the fight, some that wouldn't raise a finger to give aid to their next door neighbor if he or she was being filleted in their front yard if it meant them getting harmed in any way and others that opt to weight the events prior to a decision. And some that seem to just enjoy a good argument. As I said before, my guess is 99% of the respondents, myself included have never been in that situation and truth be told have no idea how they would react. If I had to guess I would think LEO's and military trained would react one way and those others another way. Just a guess.

 

[Farmer17]

I've had a CC license for many years but rarely carry a gun on me but always have my .380 in the truck. I have a whole bunch of defensive handguns but never really felt like I needed to carry one when away from home but due to recent events I'm likely to have a gun on me more often. I'm also thinking about carrying my rifle in my pickup since nearly all mass shootings lately have involved rifles. I drive a Ram Quad cab and I heard that you can loosen the rear seat bolts and put washers under the seat which raises the seat where it barely hooks on the back wall of the cab. You can then jerk the seat up and swing it forward and stash a rifle behind and no one would ever know.

 

[LPD256]

With all the goofy people that can be observed at WalMart, one would suppose more craziness would happen. There are 5000 WalMart locations. I can recall shootings in about 3/5000. That means I have a .0006 chance of getting shot at WallyWorld. And only if I happened to be there in the 30 seconds of my lifetime when the shooting occurs. So I’m thinking that arming up for a trip to the store doesn’t seem a justifiable endeavor. But I still do.

 

[Muss Muggins]

What are you insinuating with this? You know where I go and what I do?

Also consider how many of those shootings were in inner city neighborhoods that most of us here would(or should) never visit.

 

[Walkingwolf]

With all the goofy people that can be observed at WalMart, one would suppose more craziness would happen. There are 5000 WalMart locations. I can recall shootings in about 3/5000. That means I have a .0006 chance of getting shot at WallyWorld. And only if I happened to be there in the 30 seconds of my lifetime when the shooting occurs. So I’m thinking that arming up for a trip to the store doesn’t seem a justifiable endeavor. But I still do.

Not having anything to do with shootings we have stopped shopping in Walmart. Have not been there in over two months. We have been able to find better food quality at grocery stores locally for not much more money. Most of our other shopping is done over Amazon.

Not that it is not possible but I don't see the local Piggly Wiggly, or Food Lion as target rich environments for a nut case looking to make a name for themselves.

 

[Muss Muggins]

Nobody thought a bar in Dayton, Ohio was a target rich environment. Wait, one fella’ did . . .

Not that it is not possible but I don't see the local Piggly Wiggly, or Food Lion as target rich environments for a nut case looking to make a name for themselves.