Florida Assault Weapons Registry Would Come at a Cost

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Well the bean counters (economists) are already calculating how much it would cost the State for this proposed ban/REGISTRY

The ballot proposal, backed by the political committee Ban Assault Weapons NOW, would prohibit possession of assault weapons but would provide an exception for people who own the guns at the time the measure takes effect. Those people would be able to keep assault weapons if they register the guns with the state.

The measure defines an assault weapon as "semi-automatic rifles and shotguns capable of holding more than 10 rounds of ammunition at once, either in fixed or detachable magazine, or any other ammunition-feeding device."

So a Marlin 60, 22 lr with a tube is now an assault weapon!
So would a Ruger 10/22 as it is "capable"

As of now they do not have enough signatures but who knows??

All this due to a crazed sick kid who shot up Parkland High School

How will a registry/ban prevent anything from happening in the future?Even if a gun is registered how doe that stop a crazed person??
 
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A registry will NOT stop or prevent mis-use of a firearm - or a car. Cars are registered in FL as they are in most, if not all, states. People still have accidents and drive dunk or distracted. Registration does not change behavior. I see no "gun safety " purpose to firearm registration.
Banning a type of firearm and then registering the "grandfathered" ones will not accomplish anything useful except advising the State as to who has what where. Registration only makes it easy for that second shoe to fall.
 
A registry will NOT stop or prevent mis-use of a firearm - or a car. Cars are registered in FL as they are in most, if not all, states. People still have accidents and drive dunk or distracted. Registration does not change behavior. I see no "gun safety " purpose to firearm registration.
Banning a type of firearm and then registering the "grandfathered" ones will not accomplish anything useful except advising the State as to who has what where. Registration only makes it easy for that second shoe to fall.

well said Mr. fordson . i could not agree more.kenny
 
A registry will NOT stop or prevent mis-use of a firearm - or a car. Cars are registered in FL as they are in most, if not all, states. People still have accidents and drive dunk or distracted. Registration does not change behavior. I see no "gun safety " purpose to firearm registration.
Banning a type of firearm and then registering the "grandfathered" ones will not accomplish anything useful except advising the State as to who has what where. Registration only makes it easy for that second shoe to fall.

Stopping mis-use of firearms is not their goal. It is just the lie du jour to further their real goal.
 
A Marlin Model 60 like this one was my first gun that I found under the Christmas Tree at 14 years old. Never knew it was an Assault Weapon.......
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If you read the article, you'll also note the plan to do background checks as part of the registration process.

I don't disagree with their reasoning, and in fact it's the only way registration does anything to improve public safety.

Imagine the fall out if a person bought an "assault weapon" legally, but then a few months or years later committed and was convicted of an offense that made him a prohibited person. Then years later he registered his "assault weapon" to comply with this law, and still later used it in a crime. Allowing a prohibited person to register an "assault weapon" won't play well it the press and public when/if that person commits a crime with it.

The important take away here is that registration will mean a background check, and will also mean cross checking against that list against criminal convictions periodically. For anyone who does something that causes them to be a prohibited individual, that will mean confiscation. And, as more and more departments do a better job of uploading information to data bases, you'll see a number of individuals with criminal convictions 20,30, 40 years ago and clean records ever since who suddenly find themselves as prohibited individuals.
 
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I still (after years) fail to understand the definition of "assault" weapon and who in charge actually determined that 10 rounds was a "safe" number of rounds??. Why not 5? or 7 ? Is that like the minimum wage.?

It takes about 2-3 seconds to reload with a fresh magazine (10 rounds) There is video on line by a Sheriff showing this.

So a person could not do as much carnage with a "high capacity" assault handgun?? Lets see a 20 round FN 5.7 (yes a Dr at Fort Hood did so) How about a 15 round 10mm?. Or a 30 round 9mm??
 
I still (after years) fail to understand the definition of "assault" weapon and who in charge actually determined that 10 rounds was a "safe" number of rounds??. Why not 5? or 7 ? Is that like the minimum wage.?

It takes about 2-3 seconds to reload with a fresh magazine (10 rounds) There is video on line by a Sheriff showing this.

So a person could not do as much carnage with a "high capacity" assault handgun?? Lets see a 20 round FN 5.7 (yes a Dr at Fort Hood did so) How about a 15 round 10mm?. Or a 30 round 9mm??
I've been telling those who would listen the same thing. Just have more 10 round magazines......The ban accomplishes nothing.
 
Governor Cuomo of NY recently claimed that you only need 7 rounds to go hunting, no one needs 10. Hunting?
 
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Florida Assault Weapons Registry Would Come at a Cost

This is the same thing being discussed in the Assault Weapon Ban Petition thread in June of this year.

This is a Ballot Issue proposal that BAWN has been unsuccessfully trying to get on the 2020 ballot in Florida. It isn't working for them, and they know it.

Quoting from an article from the Sunshine State News (bold print is mine):

"The effort gained traction after the Republican-dominated Legislature passed a law last year with gun control measures, but not a ban on assault-style guns. The ban was advocated by Democrats and students from the Parkland school.

For the proposal to make it onto the 2020 ballot, Ban Assault Weapons NOW needs to clear two major requirements. The Florida Supreme Court needs to sign off on the wording that Floridians would see when they vote on the measure, and the political committee would need to submit at least 766,200 valid petition signatures.

As of Tuesday, the state had received 105,062 valid petition signatures, according to the Florida Division of Elections website."

BAWN needs those 766,200 signatures by February 1, 2020. They aren't even close.

A new Florida law (HB5) that was signed into law in June by Governor Ron DeSantis will make it even harder for the petition to advance.

Some news sources seem to be thinking this is already something before the Florida legislature. It isn't. It's just a bunch of Florida anti-gun people clutching at life jackets as they drown in their own idiocy.

Any current news articles about this are just feeble attempts by BAWN and other Florida anti-gun people to keep the issue in the public eye. Some Florida media outlets post articles about this which are just rehashing the same ol' thing because...well, maybe they just need something to write about, I don't know.

What I really dislike about these BAWN people (and I don't even live in Florida) is they're using school kids as bargaining chips. Pawns in a political game. And some of the older kids...high school kids...have fallen for this B.S. because they don't have the world experience or the education to fully understand the ramifications of silly proposals like this one. It's more than sad...it's dangerous.

I said back in June that this issue was on its deathbed. It's still laying there, and it's getting harder to even find a pulse now.

All the above is just my opinion, okay? Agree or disagree...like it or don't like it.
 
I've been telling those who would listen the same thing. Just have more 10 round magazines......The ban accomplishes nothing.

The response from the anti-gun crowd is that the 2-3 seconds it takes to change the magazine gives the would be victims a chance to storm the shooter and take him or her down.

The problem of course is that it's harder than it sounds for those would be victims to detect that the person is out of ammo until the reload is well under way, only leaving a second or so to rise from cover and engage the shooter.

And then there is the problem posed by a secondary weapon, either on the original shooter or an accomplice.

But apparently that very slim potential benefit to limiting magazine size in mass shootings that are sensational but still nothing more than decimal dust in the overall violent crime picture is worth infringing on the rights of the owners of the 15-20 million modern sporting rifles that would fall under an assault weapon definition. Not to mention the millions of handguns capable of holding more than 10 rounds that will be next on the list for law abiding citizens to register (and for criminals to ignore).

And of course when those registrations and bans prove to be ineffective, they'll want to register my Ruger and S&W revolvers, and ban speed loaders, given that I can reload a revolver in just under 2 seconds.

Eventually someone will also figure out that a New York reload is potentially even faster and avoids the speed loader ban, so they'll then say "no one needs more than one revolver" and limit ownership to just one per licensed and registered citizen, since the government cares about us and wants to keep us safe from.....ourselves?

In any case the anti-gun crowd and our benevolent government will continue to improve gun restrictions until I'm allowed a single registered flintlock rifle (since a musket or a percussion rifled musket can be reloaded too quickly), with the round ball and black powder substitute (real black powder is a classified as an explosive and thus to dangerous to own) stored separately under lock and key, but available for use upon application and receipt of a permit for limited use at a properly licensed shooting club.

Governor Cuomo of NY recently claimed that you only need 7 rounds to go hunting, no one needs 10. Hunting?

Don't you know? Hunting is the only legitimate sporting use for a firearm. Those of us who prefer non violent uses of firearms such as Bullseye and national match shooting have no need for a firearm.

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Seriously all sarcasm aside, I do support responsible gun ownership:

1. I'm just fine with background checks for all gun sales including private sales. However, it needs to be available at nominal cost ($5) from any FFL, and ideally it would be a service offered by police departments and Sheriff's offices for free, which would also provide a safe place for private sales to occur.

2. I also support safe gun storage laws that require guns not on your person to be safely stored where they cannot be accessed by minors or easily accessed by prohibited persons. However it also needs to be reasonable - behind a locked residential type door, in an inexpensive gun safe, or with a simple lock on the gun (cable lock, trigger lock, etc).

3. I support reasonable standards for concealed carry permits - fingerprint based background checks, 4 hours training on handgun safety, 4 hours training in the laws pertaining to the use of deadly force, and live fire qualification. However, the costs also need to be nominal. For example, in NC meeting those requirements can cost in the neighborhood of $200, which limits access to the right to carry based on income. Conceal carry permits should also be issued on a "shall issue" basis, and state issued permits meeting the above criteria, should be recognized in all states that offer concealed carry permits.

4. I also support removing short barrel rifles and suppressors from the NFA, as these items are virtually never used in crimes and the resources committed to processing permits could be better used investigating credible threats.

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I do not support knee jerk legislation or gun control measures that restrict or tax gun ownership (banning categories of weapons, mandatory insurance, registration, excessive permit fees, mandatory waiting periods, etc) with no significant impact on reducing gun violence.

I also do not support regulatory creep that re-defines existing law and regulations in a manner that further restricts gun ownership as that is an abuse of executive branch power.
 
The real problem with any attempt like BAWN is that they want it to be a Fl Constitutional Amendment. So if they get enough signature, I am pretty sure if it comes to a Vote by residents it would pass. People are tired of guns and the media just keep poking at it over and over. Even though responsible people know it will do nothing!Much like the restore voting for Felons which is still being hashed out.
UBC?? how the heck will that stop anything? Criminals do not follow the law. Criminals do not need to go to a FFL and pass a BC check
 
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Do you support infringement of all your rights or just 2A.

Give a little here give a little there.

Oh its just...

Before you know it you've given um everything and you've got nothing.

They will keep chipping away until it finally crumbles.

Like the song says

Dont know what ya got til its gone.




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Governor Cuomo of NY recently claimed that you only need 7 rounds to go hunting, no one needs 10. Hunting?
Governor Northam of VA said he grew up hunting and the law in VA restricts hunters to 3 rounds in the gun, so why would anyone need more than 3 rounds for anything? So I guess if he has his way, magazines will be restricted to 2 rounds.
 
Enforce what's on the books now, and see what happens. Mandatory prison for gun crimes is a must !!!
 
Enforce what's on the books now, and see what happens. Mandatory prison for gun crimes is a must !!!

That won't happen. I have a former student, 25 years old now. Never had my back to him for a second. Conduct disorder; look it up, the DSM says " treatment prognosis poor." Kid has had "armed home invasion, armed carjacking, use of a firearm in commission of a felony and several other major crimes since "graduation" (at almost 20 years old). Just a couple weeks ago he was in the mugshots again on a single charge: "Driving on a suspended license, 1st offense." No money to be squeezed out of this turnip so out he goes, again. At least this latest mugshot was updated with the "Taliban beard" look. Sorry for the drift, carry on. Joe
 
"I support the 2nd Amendment, but . . . "

As I like to say on Twitter: #FormOverFunction. If you don't support "Shall Not Be Infringed," you don't truly support the Second Amendment. Gun Ownership, but in the manner I dictate . . .


The response from the anti-gun crowd is that the 2-3 seconds it takes to change the magazine gives the would be victims a chance to storm the shooter and take him or her down.

The problem of course is that it's harder than it sounds for those would be victims to detect that the person is out of ammo until the reload is well under way, only leaving a second or so to rise from cover and engage the shooter.

And then there is the problem posed by a secondary weapon, either on the original shooter or an accomplice.

But apparently that very slim potential benefit to limiting magazine size in mass shootings that are sensational but still nothing more than decimal dust in the overall violent crime picture is worth infringing on the rights of the owners of the 15-20 million modern sporting rifles that would fall under an assault weapon definition. Not to mention the millions of handguns capable of holding more than 10 rounds that will be next on the list for law abiding citizens to register (and for criminals to ignore).

And of course when those registrations and bans prove to be ineffective, they'll want to register my Ruger and S&W revolvers, and ban speed loaders, given that I can reload a revolver in just under 2 seconds.

Eventually someone will also figure out that a New York reload is potentially even faster and avoids the speed loader ban, so they'll then say "no one needs more than one revolver" and limit ownership to just one per licensed and registered citizen, since the government cares about us and wants to keep us safe from.....ourselves?

In any case the anti-gun crowd and our benevolent government will continue to improve gun restrictions until I'm allowed a single registered flintlock rifle (since a musket or a percussion rifled musket can be reloaded too quickly), with the round ball and black powder substitute (real black powder is a classified as an explosive and thus to dangerous to own) stored separately under lock and key, but available for use upon application and receipt of a permit for limited use at a properly licensed shooting club.



Don't you know? Hunting is the only legitimate sporting use for a firearm. Those of us who prefer non violent uses of firearms such as Bullseye and national match shooting have no need for a firearm.

------

Seriously all sarcasm aside, I do support responsible gun ownership:

1. I'm just fine with background checks for all gun sales including private sales. However, it needs to be available at nominal cost ($5) from any FFL, and ideally it would be a service offered by police departments and Sheriff's offices for free, which would also provide a safe place for private sales to occur.

2. I also support safe gun storage laws that require guns not on your person to be safely stored where they cannot be accessed by minors or easily accessed by prohibited persons. However it also needs to be reasonable - behind a locked residential type door, in an inexpensive gun safe, or with a simple lock on the gun (cable lock, trigger lock, etc).

3. I support reasonable standards for concealed carry permits - fingerprint based background checks, 4 hours training on handgun safety, 4 hours training in the laws pertaining to the use of deadly force, and live fire qualification. However, the costs also need to be nominal. For example, in NC meeting those requirements can cost in the neighborhood of $200, which limits access to the right to carry based on income. Conceal carry permits should also be issued on a "shall issue" basis, and state issued permits meeting the above criteria, should be recognized in all states that offer concealed carry permits.

4. I also support removing short barrel rifles and suppressors from the NFA, as these items are virtually never used in crimes and the resources committed to processing permits could be better used investigating credible threats.

-----


I do not support knee jerk legislation or gun control measures that restrict or tax gun ownership (banning categories of weapons, mandatory insurance, registration, excessive permit fees, mandatory waiting periods, etc) with no significant impact on reducing gun violence.

I also do not support regulatory creep that re-defines existing law and regulations in a manner that further restricts gun ownership as that is an abuse of executive branch power.
 

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