Reloading 9mm - next level

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I've gotten comfortable with my entry into reloading - unique 4.6 to 5.2 grains with 124 grain fmj bullets from everglades, OAL ranging from 1.09 to 1.12. Anything in those parameters is proving more accurate than I am.(that's not the range in each batch, my qc is better than that, but those are variables I've adjusted so far). I have several hundred more cases to load in storage and need to run by my local reloading store for more primers, which leads to my next question while I'm shopping. What should be my next steps to expand my experience, adjusting OAL, different powder or something else? Logic says I've found a good load that works well enough, but I want to try something else.

I'm just reloading 9mm and 38 special right now and am only about 2.5k rounds into reloading so I'm just getting started. I'm hesitant to experiment with more unique in each case since to my eye it looks like I'll start dealing with compressed loads which makes me nervous.

So what should I start experimenting with next?
 
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I am quite possibly the only person in the world that doesn't like Unique powder. I have found it throws inconsistent powder charges. While that is not a safety issue with mid-range loads it could be with high loads and the variations does not help accuracy. I still have a 1/2 can of Unique that has been sitting on the sheft for many years.

My favorite general use powder is W231. It works well in 9mm and 38 Special. I also like AA powders. Both of these meter work well giving consistent charges and good performance.
 
I'm just reloading 9mm and 38 special right now and am only about 2.5k rounds into reloading so I'm just getting started. I'm hesitant to experiment with more unique in each case since to my eye it looks like I'll start dealing with compressed loads which makes me nervous.

So what should I start experimenting with next?

What does your data say? 5.0-5.2 grains of Unique is already top-end to over-max according to some data sources. Why are you even contemplating "experimenting with more"?

If you want to learn more about reloading, expand into different powders, bullets, and cartridges. Load with a goal in mind. Read a book or two.

If you want to learn what your ammunition is actually doing, get a chronograph.

If you want to learn that all you were doing with handgun reloading was playing around, get into rifle loading.
 
I started loading 9mm ammo in 1972, and a lot of it produced over the past 47 years.

Unique is a good choice. I have also had very good results using AA #2 and AA #5. Probably the best in my experience has been with Blue Dot, offering exceptional performance within pressure limits of the cartridge, along with minimal muzzle flash as I recall. Haven't seen Blue Dot for a long time, don't even know if it is still available (or if product specifications remain the same).

Biggest challenge I recall about loading 9mm ammo has been bullet selection. My older Browning Hi Power will digest just about anything I feed it (including .357" SWC from 105-150 grains), but several others have been more particular about bullet profiles and diameters. The primary rule I have followed has been to work up loads that function properly in the pistol intended, without worrying about achieving the top tier of velocity or performance. If it reliably functions and shoots accurately I am happy with the load.

I remember one occasion in which one of the young cops on my department had a range qualification scheduled but had no 9mm ammo to use. I gave him a couple of boxes of my usual range ammo, which functioned perfectly in my pistols, but gave him nothing but grief in his pistol (failures to feed, apparently due to much tighter chamber dimensions than my pistols).

9mm Luger ammo presents some challenges in this respect. It is not truly a straight-wall case, having a pronounced taper to the case dimensions. Resizing, particularly when using carbide dies, results in some serious compression of the case body with pronounced belling of the case mouth required for bullet seating, and the final result (depending on bullet profile, diameter, and seating depth) can result in almost an hour-glass profile in the finished cartridge.

Granted, every set of dies will be somewhat different, and every batch of cases may vary. But I think I have made the points I wanted to state. There is a bit of a challenge involved in every exercise, bringing each combination (pistol, magazine, cartridge cases, bullets, powder charge, etc) into a balance that provides the desired results. It sounds to me like you have achieved that balance.
 
I've gotten comfortable with my entry into reloading - unique 4.6 to 5.2 grains with 124 grain fmj bullets from everglades, OAL ranging from 1.09 to 1.12. . . .

What should be my next steps to expand my experience, adjusting OAL, different powder or something else? Logic says I've found a good load that works well enough, but I want to try something else.

. . .I'm hesitant to experiment with more unique in each case since to my eye it looks like I'll start dealing with compressed loads which makes me nervous.
Alliant shows the following for Unique and 124gr Speer GDHP bullets: MINIMUM OAL = 1.12", max load = 5.8gr, MV from a 4" barrel = 1180fps.

Presumably your bullets are JHP (not round nose). The Speer GDHP is 0.570" long. If your bullet is longer by as little as .050", Quickload (an internal ballistics app) predicts that 5.2gr of Unique would result in significant overpressure with a COL of 1.12 let alone 1.09".

IOW, I'd suggest you find an OAL LONGER than 1.12" to stay in line with Alliant's data. How much longer depends on how long your bullet is vs the Speer's 0.570" if you want to stay at 5.2gr of Unique. The max SAAMI COL is 1.169", but you have to make sure your pistol will feed your bullet's profile at whatever length you choose.

Next thought: A nearly full case of powder is a very good thing for several reasons, one of which is that it makes it impossible to double charge a cartridge :)

As for what else to try . . . HP38 is often used and may prove cheaper though maybe a bit slower at max pressures than Unique. CFE Pistol will prove more expensive but should burn cleaner and may produce higher velocities before going overpressure.

There are many other powders out there, but you should have a purpose in mind for your next experiment.
 
If you are satisfied with the load you have, DON'T MESS WITH IT!

You now seem to have a grasp on revolve and semi-auto handgun ammo, you can now move on to a rifle round. The straight wall cased ammo, is very similar in method to the revolver ammo.

Bottle necked rifle ammo may give the challenge you seek. for the cost of a die set, shell holder and components; you can enter the 100 yard world! With that same equipment you can next explore the 300 yard world. The next step would be beyond 600 yards, and that will most likely require better equipment and techniques.

But your curiosity can be satisfied for quite some time for relatively minor expense.

Ivan
 
I've been reloading for quite some time now, over 4 decades. When I find something that works, I too stick with it. Having said that, I have been trying to find the best 9x19 load that functions well, is accurate and economical. That has been a challenge. Years ago, I found (stole) a load that is accurate and reliable, but expensive. I've tried Power Pistol, American Select, WSF, Sport Pistol and now am back to an old standby, Bullseye. One thing that I've discovered is that the quality of the bullet is the biggest factor regarding accuracy in the reloading process. It is also the biggest cost factor. Good luck!
 
Take your best basic load and try different brands of primers , sometimes they make a difference .

When tweaking a load , change only one thing at a time .

I've experimented with several powders but keep coming back to Unique for the 9mm Luger ... It just works ! I think the pressure in the 9mm is suited to Unique . I will admit powder measuring takes practice to get consistent charges with but I've found it to be the most accurate in my 9mm pistols .
With so many powders on the market you could spend years just testing powders . But that's why we reload...to fine tune .
Do not exceed maximum loads , start lower and work up . Hot loads in semi-auto's are rough on both the gun and the brass .
Gary
 
I enjoy experimenting, it's one of the joys of reloading for me.

So far, I've gotten excellent results with Titegroup, WSF and Longshot powders. These are my go-to powders for 9mm and 40 S&W.

I've read lots of positive comments about Powerpistol and BE-86. One day I'll give those a try as well.
 
I am quite possibly the only person in the world that doesn't like Unique powder. I have found it throws inconsistent powder charges. While that is not a safety issue with mid-range loads it could be with high loads and the variations does not help accuracy. I still have a 1/2 can of Unique that has been sitting on the sheft for many years.

My favorite general use powder is W231. It works well in 9mm and 38 Special. I also like AA powders. Both of these meter work well giving consistent charges and good performance.

Nope, you are not alone. I tried it and never cared for it. I had problems with unburned residue at times. Didn't meter well. Accurate enough but I always found something more accurate. W231 is also my go-to along with Universal.
 
9mm can be quite the endeavour . Barrel & chamber dimensions are all over the map plus the tapered case . Low capacity , higher pressure make it harder to get consistent results . When the AMU started accurizing M9's they found that out right quick . Bullet choice makes a huge difference , brass used makes a huge difference , primer choice ( AMU found Rem SP mag worked best for them ) & powder choice also was critical . For FMJ's the Sierra will outshoot anything else especially @ 50yds . Hornady XTP / HAP are also very accurate . They also found that the 115gr bullets shot better with a much slower twist 1 in 32 . Power Pistol , WSF & VVN-330 & 340 also gave best results . I have no idea what current AMU choices are for components . I guess my point is even when one starts with a hand built gun where all tolerances are held to exact standards 9mm is still a royal PITA . And that's just with jacketed bullets . ADD cast to the mix & one finds that damn near every gun is a law unto itself . You have to make ammo to fit the gun & most are different .
 
glenwolde, it sounds to me that you have progressed well on the reloading experience, congrats to you. I can understand why you want to broaden your horizons on reloading with different components and urge you to try different powders, primers and different bullets. But definitely keep it safe and stick with published data, especially for loads getting close to max.

The 2 calibers that you stated you are loading for, 38 Special and 9 MM Luger, are 2 of the easiest to load for in my experience. I take it that this thread is primarily dealing with 9 MM, since it's damned near impossible to run into a compressed load situation with 38 Special.;) But you can pick powders and primers that will work with both.

Here are some of the powders I have used with 9 MM and my thoughts on them. With several of them, my experience with them came about with the last shortage situation and was a great learning experience for me also.

HP38/Win 231 - This is a great multi use powder. You can use this one in just about any pistol caliber. It meters great and burns clean. It also gives good case fill, making it easier to spot a double charge even in the 38 Special case. HP38 is the Hodgdon brand and Winchester 231 is sold under the Winchester label but they are the same powder. Not going to give you top velocities but makes a good target/midrange load.

Accurate #2 - This one is almost as versatile as HP38, but with a finer powder particle that measures extremely well out of a powder measure. It packs well in the case which is great for the 9MM but it makes it harder to see a double charge in a 38 Special case. I've loaded many pounds of this in 9MM and it works very well in the Dillon powder measure. Not going to give you top velocities but makes a good target/midrange load.

Accurate #5/#7 - Haven't shot these 2 much but I was impressed with both. Like #2, they meter very well. Both are great choices for top velocity, but the #5 has more data and is more versatile in 9MM. Acc #5 can also be used for top loads with 38 Special also.

Alliant Blue Dot - This one works well for hot 9MM loads. It also burns clean at the hotter end of load data. Disadvantages to BD are that a lot of loads are compressed loads as it is a bulky powder, like Unique or Bullseye. It's also a slower powder than Unique or BE, so it takes a bigger charge and you tend to fill a 9MM case up quickly as compared to it's faster brothers. It also doesn't meter as well as the finer grained powders since it's more like a flake than a small compressed spherical like the ones above.

Winchester Super Field (WSF) - I bought this one in the great powder shortage in a 4 lb canister. It worked well for me for 115 and 124/125 grain bullets but never tried with 147 grain bullets. The only drawback I found with this powder was finding load data for other than 9MM. Hodgdon only shows 2 loads for WSF and 38 Special for a "105 GR. CEB RAPTOR" bullet, whatever that is.

Hodgdon Longshot - I first tried this powder 5-6 years ago during the great powder shortage and it has really grown on me. It works very well in 9MM and Hodgdon also has plenty of data for this powder in 38 Special +P. It likes to run on the higher end of the pressure curve and runs clean in 9MM. It"s a good powder for top velocities in 9MM. It also meters very well and it also works well for 357 Mag and 44 Mag mid range rounds.

Hodgdon CFE Pistol - Another one relatively new to me that I like a lot. It's a bit faster powder than Longshot and works better than it at lower pressures, making it also a good choice for standard pressure 38 Special as well as use in 9MM. It also meters well and they say it has an additive in it that reduces copper fouling from bullet jackets.

There are several other powders I have run in 9MM but this should give you enough to look at for now.;)

Primers - I've used standard small pistol primers from all the major manufacturers in 9MM with no problems. And used magnum SP primers back when components were scarce with no unusual problems, but I did back the propellant charge off a couple of tenths.

Bullets - I will mention that I have had very good luck with Zero brand jacketed bullets in several calibers and pricing is great for true jacketed bullets. Their retail distribution arm in Roze Distribution and shipping cost is included in 1,000 lot quantities or more. There are other folks here that also use their bullets because of cost/quality quotient is high.
 
I have loaded jacket, plated and coated bullets for my 9mm pistols
from 90 grain up to the large 147 gr bullets.

All weights start with light target loads to standard, NATO and even some +P loads.
I also have use of a chrony to help develop these loads, which really helps out.

Most pistols will shoot a 115 or 124 gr bullet well enough for an accurate target load
if the right amount of powder is reached.

However mine also like the 135 and 147 gr plated bullets in the low target loadings.

Grab a good buy on 115 or 124 gr bullets and a faster burning powder to try some light target loads.

Since you have a .38 special I also might add a vote for the 231 type powder that works with both weapons.

Have fun and stay safe.
 
40 years reloading here.

Find one load that works and stick with it. When I first started I used different bullets, powders and loadings. Now I have one bullet, one powder, one load that works.

This.

Been casting and reloading since 1972. I agree with much of the above regarding Unique and having one load:
* don't like Unique. Meters inconsistently at best.
* 231 works very well, as does Bullseye.
* One load. For years I have cast a 125 gr. RN from wheelweights, water-quenched, sized .358" . I push it with 3.6 gr. of 231. Never leaves lead, and works the action of every gun I have tried it in... mostly Glocks.
I also highly recommend using a Lyman "M" expander die with lead bullets.

Just my thoughts.
 
This.

Been casting and reloading since 1972. I agree with much of the above regarding Unique and having one load:
* don't like Unique. Meters inconsistently at best.
* 231 works very well, as does Bullseye.
* One load. For years I have cast a 125 gr. RN from wheelweights, water-quenched, sized .358" . I push it with 3.6 gr. of 231. Never leaves lead, and works the action of every gun I have tried it in... mostly Glocks.
I also highly recommend using a Lyman "M" expander die with lead bullets.

Just my thoughts.


Please note that this 3.6 grs of w231 is with a LEAD bullet.

If a jacket bullet is used the starting load is 3.9 grs of powder.
In my 9mm pistols 4.2 grs in a 3" get into the 940fps areas.

Stay safe.
 
Please note that this 3.6 grs of w231 is with a LEAD bullet.

If a jacket bullet is used the starting load is 3.9 grs of powder.
In my 9mm pistols 4.2 grs in a 3" get into the 940fps areas.

Stay safe.

Exactly. 3.6 gr. of 231 is for lead only. My old Winchester manual states a max of 4.0 gr. for lead, so I started at 3.6 (reduced 10%) and it worked fine. Have used it ever since. Nice and mild, no leading , about 900 fps.

Enjoy the magic. 👍
 
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