coronavirus
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Oh man...gotta sneeze!
Your parents kept buying you books and you just kept eating the pages..
Ingnorance can be fixed. Stupid is hopeless.
Ingnorance can be fixed. Stupid is hopeless.
ancient-one
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I, or no one else knows exactly what we are facing. I do not think that comparing common flu deaths with what has happened so far is responsible. Many common flu deaths could have been prevented had people sought treatment soon enough. With this flu there are still a too many unknowns.
My daughter and I are in the age groups that are most adversely affected. We will do our best to take known precautions. I hurt and pray for the Doctors, Nurses and all who treat infected people. They are hero's.
My daughter and I are in the age groups that are most adversely affected. We will do our best to take known precautions. I hurt and pray for the Doctors, Nurses and all who treat infected people. They are hero's.
That much is obvious.
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Simply stating facts
I'm not downplaying anything. I'm not going by numbers from the US Gov.
My numbers come from Coronavirus Update (Live): 119,177 Cases and 4,295 Deaths from COVID-19 Wuhan China Virus Outbreak - Worldometer
These are the numbers:
Current worldwide Coronavirus Cases: 119,176
Deaths: 4,295
Recovered: 66,617
The above is out of the global population of 7.770 billion +.
Here are the current US numbers
Coronavirus Cases: 975
Deaths: 30
Recovered: 15
That's out of a population of 333.1+ Million.
Those numbers, are statistically, insignificant. These numbers are insignificant compared to the flu and the H1N1 Flu.
Here are the numbers for the H1N1 pandemic: 284,000 deaths world wide.
CDC estimate of global H1N1 pandemic deaths: 284,000
CDC estimate of global H1N1 pandemic deaths: 284,000 | CIDRAP
By: Robert Roos
| Jun 27, 2012
The H1N1 was a decade ago and I don't remember the hysteria with that pandemic nor the 24/7 news coverage. That was with 59 million Americans who contracted the H1N1 virus, 265,000 were hospitalized as a result, and 12,000 died. That's just the USA!
Compared to those numbers the let's put the Covid19 numbers in perspective.
To be fair, I do remember the Obama Administration declaring a National Emergency at some point.
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Absalom
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I am not disputing your numbers.
But as I pointed out in another thread, they are largely unhelpful at this time.
First of all, what's the point of comparing historical totals for an epidemic with the current numbers for one that has just started and is spreading rapidly? That's like the guy who fell from the 30th floor and, as he fell past the 20th floor, thought "well, so far, so good".
Second, looking at total fatality rates and even just hospitalizations misses the most important issue. The main problem as far as is becoming discernible is not the severity of symptoms or the lethality, but the rapid spread.
For the functioning of the country, the effectiveness of the healthcare system, and the fate of the economy, only one question matters:
How many people are going to be sick at the same time?
And that's where the rapid spread is new and scary.
With H1N1 2009 pandemic, there were 265,000 people, in the US who, were hospitalized w/12,000 deaths. How many people were sick and hospitalized at the same time? That's a lot of people!!! Were was the hysteria then?
BTW: CDC estimates* that, from October 1, 2019, through February 29, 2020, there have been:
34,000,000 – 49,000,000 - that's million - flu illnesses,
350,000 – 620,000 flu hospitalizations
20,000 – 52,000 flu related deaths
That's just the US and look at the dates.
Looking at those numbers, is the flu a far greater threat even w/a vaccine or the Covid19?
2019-2020 U.S. Flu Season: Preliminary Burden Estimates | CDC
It seems, to me, the flu is far more conatgeous and more lethal.
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In that case so is the flu or any other viral disease with increased deaths for people with comorbidities
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The Spanish Flu of 1918 killed an estimated 600,000 people in the US, many of them in their 20s and 30s. It had a mortality rate of around 2-3 percent.The fact that this was pre-penicillin is irrelevant, because we're talking virus. Covid19 has a similar mortality rate (~3 percent) as Spanish flu, and has a mortality rate about 30 times higher than the seasonal flu (which is about 0.1 percent). If people want to compare COVID19 to the flu, compare it to the Spanish Flu. The latest conservative estimate of the number of deaths in the US over the next 7 months is about half a million (Dr. Michael Osterholm on Joe Rogan yesterday).
The next few months will see unprecedented change to our lives. This time will be in the history books.
The next few months will see unprecedented change to our lives. This time will be in the history books.
notsofast
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It's going to get worse before it gets better, how much worse remains to be seen. It's a serious situation
Not a good comparison, and you make the point yourself. Absent comorbidities, COVID 19 is running about .1% death rate. It's much higher if the patient does have additional underlying illnesses. (age related mostly). So not the Spanish Flu.
So, if you're old or sickly yep- take additional precautions.
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60 percent of the American population has a co-morbity, and the mean age today is much higher than it was in 1918.
To imply that the higher death rate of COVID 19 mostly applies to just the old and infirm, and therefore a minority of the American population, is inaccurate.
The conservative estimate for the number of US deaths over the next 3-7 months from COVID19 is 500,000. That's from Dr. Michael Osterholm, a top expert in infectious disease and it's spread.
Everyone needs to be taking extra precautions because a healthy person can transmit it to a family member who has cancer (like my wife) or an old sick person (both my parents). Moreover, the healthcare system here can indeed collapse, as it has in Italy. In Italy, they're having to send cancer patients home because they don't have enough resources.
In the next 10 days, the US will see if we'll be able to flatten the curve and prevent an Italian disaster, or if we'll go the way they did.
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He doesn't believe this is serious because it isn't affecting him personally (yet) My daughter self quarantined yesterday with all the symptoms (nyc)
I live in a household where everyone is high risk
Delcrossv is nothing but a troll and I've blocked him
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People are going to get the virus, and some will die. People are going to get the flu, and some will die. In time it will pass. But the collateral damage is what will last a long time.
Parts from China are not arriving. US companies are furloughing workers because they can't manufacture some products.
Industries like boats, RVs and such are taking a hit because 401Ks are diving and some people can't afford luxury items.
Anything travel related is taking a bad hit because people are afraid.
We're headed for a recession...or worse.
I'm not worried about getting sick....I'm worried about going bankrupt!
Parts from China are not arriving. US companies are furloughing workers because they can't manufacture some products.
Industries like boats, RVs and such are taking a hit because 401Ks are diving and some people can't afford luxury items.
Anything travel related is taking a bad hit because people are afraid.
We're headed for a recession...or worse.
I'm not worried about getting sick....I'm worried about going bankrupt!
