Lou_the_welder
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I would never modify a carry gun. Or a HD one.
But my 327 has been flawless even with CCI and Winchester primers. It being a range gun for me.
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But my 327 has been flawless even with CCI and Winchester primers. It being a range gun for me.
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cremaley
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Do you use moon clips with your 327?
You might want to remove the side plate and see if there's a 'sandy substance' inside there which might be clogging things up. I have personally come across two PC guns that were unbelievably clogged. Once cleaned, they were much better. p.s. If you don't know the proper method of side-plate removal, get help before you do damage.
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Thanks. I'll be sure to check that.
Lou_the_welder
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I only use moonclips with my 327/627's. There is no point for me to not use them.
I like Ranch products (.025") with Winchester brass or Starline. Although I have loaded Fiocchi or American before too, range brass.
On the 357's, the trick is to find the right nose bullet and crimp, that would work on an 8 round clip. On my reloaded ammo, I use Xtreme 158gr RNFP with success and make sure that the crimp prevents any hangups you may have when inserting the clips.
On 38 specials most ammo works. Sometimes they may be a little tight - again. One must know the right bullets to use with the clips. It's kinda trial and error.
For 38 short colts is where the clips do shine! The moonclipped drops are effortless and non existent binding make it a favourite at the range for practice or competition.
I take a box of 200 38 short Colts and 100 or so 357 magnums loaded with Winchester 231 powder ; at a time during my range sessions...
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I only use moonclips with my 327/627's. There is no point for me to not use them.
I like Ranch products (.025") with Winchester brass or Starline. Although I have loaded Fiocchi or American before too, range brass.
On the 357's, the trick is to find the right nose bullet and crimp, that would work on an 8 round clip. On my reloaded ammo, I use Xtreme 158gr RNFP with success and make sure that the crimp prevents any hangups you may have when inserting the clips.
On 38 specials most ammo works. Sometimes they may be a little tight - again. One must know the right bullets to use with the clips. It's kinda trial and error.
For 38 short colts is where the clips do shine! The moonclipped drops are effortless and non existent binding make it a favourite at the range for practice or competition.
I take a box of 200 38 short Colts and 100 or so 357 magnums loaded with Winchester 231 powder ; at a time during my range sessions...
Thanks Lou. I currently shoot Fiocchi .38 Special 130 grain for my range ammo and I've had issues with the 3 moon clips provided by Smith and Wesson with my 327. They are extremely hard to load and when loaded will not drop into the cylinder. I ordered additional ones from Speed Beez and they work much better. I also ordered and received a moon clip loader from TK Custom which works well. I did notice on the TK Custom website that there are a set of moon clips designed for both Fiocchi and Hornady brass which I will most likely order.
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So after tons of dry firing the single action trigger pull is now 3 pounds 12 ounces down from 4 pounds. Still can't measure the double action since my trigger gauge tops out at 8 pounds. Just made a decision to order the Lyman Digital Scale so I can get an accurate measure of the double action. Hopefully, I'll have it in about a week.
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Just checked mine. Double action avg is 11lbs 6.6oz. Single action 4lbs 12.9oz
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I just ordered a spring kit from wilson combat. I've installed several of these over the past few years. Install is easy. The parts are cheap and reversible. I've never had a round not go off. I will probably do a little polishing while I have it open.
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Would you please let us know your trigger weight before and after? Thanks.
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How many rounds have your fired with your 327 and do you do a lot of dry firing?
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I honestly don't keep up with round counts. I would guess between 700 and 1000. I've dry fired it quite a bit with snap caps. I have no idea how much though. At least 2k times.
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Well I already posted the before. I can post the after though.
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Thanks. I meant to say post the after since you did already post the before. Sorry!
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I know what you meant, just busting your balls a bit. It looks like WC has confirmed the order for shipment. I hope it goes out tomorrow so I can get it by Friday.
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Thanks. Look forward to hearing the results.
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So I had an opportunity to stop by my LGS today and was able to use their Lyman's Digital scale to measure the double action trigger weight on my S&W 327. Much to my surprise the average of 5 trigger pull was 8 pounds 6 ounces with the single action coming in just under 4 pounds. Just to be sure I asked one of the LGS staff members to test the trigger pull and he got similar results. I've owned my 327 for about 3 weeks and have shot it once but dry fired every day several hundred times. I guess that works because the trigger is much smoother and lighter than when I first got it. To say that I am a happy camper at this point would be an understatement. I am so glad when I decided to get into the revolver world I choose a 327 to do it.
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My parts should arrive on the 11th. I will install them that afternoon/night hopefully.
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I am surprised to hear that your 327PC without modification comes in at 8 lbs and change. My 627PC was around 12 lbs, as is my 686 Pro. Stock Smith revolvers in my experience have smooth triggers, especially if shot a lot, (dry firing helps, yes) but that pull will always be a brutal 11-12 lbs without modification. For me, at least, that is too much for optimum double action shooting. I have never run across a Smith that was under 11 pounds out of the factory and I have never had any amount of dry firing/live firing reduce the pull any.
I had my trusted gunsmith modify my 627PC such that it now is just shy of 8 lbs and has a great trigger. It has an extended firing pin and is 100% reliable with all brands of ammo that I have been able to get my hands on to test, including CCI. But this required a trigger job to achieve. I am planning to rotate my 686 SSR Pro and my new 686+ 3" through this process very shortly.
I had my trusted gunsmith modify my 627PC such that it now is just shy of 8 lbs and has a great trigger. It has an extended firing pin and is 100% reliable with all brands of ammo that I have been able to get my hands on to test, including CCI. But this required a trigger job to achieve. I am planning to rotate my 686 SSR Pro and my new 686+ 3" through this process very shortly.
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I was very surprised at the trigger weight on my 327 that's why I had the LGS staff member test it a second time. I've been shooting for over 40 years and have a pretty good feel for trigger weight and my 327 doesn't feel anywhere near 11-12 pounds. So unless there is an issue with the reliability of the Lymans scale we used, I have to assume that the numbers we got are correct. I do have my own Lymans on order and will check it again once I receive it to verify the findings. I was planning to have my gunsmith do a trigger job but if the Lymans I am getting shows the same results, I won't bother. I'll let you know the results.
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