OH BOY!!! A NEW COUNTRY!!!

[old bear]

. I am sure the situation is starting out like Height Ashbury, but take a look at how that broke down over time.

I spent a short amount of time in the Height during the summer of love, and there are were several distinct differences.
As I remember some of these were:

Any graffiti was done on sidewalks with chalk, which was easily removed, not spray paint. Nor do I remember any profanity or violent images with any graffiti.

No one felt threatened, nor did any of the local merchants feel that they were required to "donate" to the cause to protect themselves or their property. Yes there was a fair amount of "street panhandling," yet a simple "no" stopped the panhandlers.

 

[ladder13]

Who will pay to clean up the graffiti and the stink when those vagabonds leave?

 

[xray97]

Somebody better act

The longer this is allowed to continue the more probable violence is the end result. What happens when another "group" decides to claim a 6 block area? And then another?
Anyone living in the NW, paying attention to local current events knows- where antifa go their opponent's follow. And typically violence is the result.
Smaller scale examples occur with regularity in Portland.

 

[Jon651]

So I am not allowed to peacefully question the imposition of a government policy that some may agree with, but when I point out legitimate lawful remedies to anarchy and sedition I am a hypocrite?

Someone's world may have tilted on its axis, but mine remains firmly anchored on the axis of the United States Constitution and a responsibility of government (local, state, and federal) to safeguard lives and property against criminal attacks.

If the Seattle municipal government will not perform its lawful obligations, and the Washington State government will not perform its lawful obligations, it is time for the federal government to put a stop to this nonsense.

And what did the police decide to do when a literal mob of armed protestors open-carrying ARs and AKs decided to force their way into the Michigan legislature in order to intimidate the elected officials? Law enforcement didn't want to create an incident and knew that their movement would peter-out given a little time and space and nobody said Boo about it or questioned their judgement. Now a similar situation is happening in Seattle and all of the sudden it's "Roll in the tanks!". It's nothing but rank hypocrisy. The police are there on the scene so let them make the judgement calls - the last thing they need is someone in the cheap seats calling for pitchforks and torches. The only people I've heard calling for the feds and the military to intervene are two dozen or more Zip codes away or in a different time zone altogether. Let the local officials do their job - if they need help they will call for it. There was no riot police or tear gas deployed in any of the other armed protests about stay-at-home orders because it wasn't needed, and if the cops on the scene in Seattle say they don't need it for this then I for one will trust them enough to let them do their jobs.

All these protestors want is equal treatment under the law regardless of race; those maroons in Michigan and elsewhere were armed to the teeth fighting against the tyranny of having to wear a bandana in Wal-Mart.

 

[pennzy]

Just watched Yankee Marshal
videoing live a walk through the
Seattle Cap Hill area, around
11 p.m. Seattle time.

Lots of young people walking
about, graffiti at a lot of places.

Restaurants open. Glass at stores
intact.

Dozens of people walking their dogs.

Street entertainment.

Reports most people, as it gets very late,
just go home elsewhere in the city.

Numerous parked cars near entrances and
within. No damage to them.

No guards at the so-called barriers. No ID
checks.

And no guns to be seen.

I just watched it myself. Seemed pretty chill . Much to do about nothing. Reminds me of Occupy Wall Street.

 

[johngalt]

For a contrarian viewpoint...

One of the fundamental principles is the government requires our consent. So how does one withdraw their consent?

I'm not saying a gang/terrorist organization/whatever you want to call them can take over a neighborhood over the objections of the people who live there.

 

[Dvan34]

If this Nation and the States do not begin enforcing the laws soon, well......

 

[wheelgun28]

And what did the police decide to do when a literal mob of armed protestors open-carrying ARs and AKs decided to force their way into the Michigan legislature in order to intimidate the elected officials? Law enforcement didn't want to create an incident and knew that their movement would peter-out given a little time and space and nobody said Boo about it or questioned their judgement. Now a similar situation is happening in Seattle and all of the sudden it's "Roll in the tanks!". It's nothing but rank hypocrisy. The police are there on the scene so let them make the judgement calls - the last thing they need is someone in the cheap seats calling for pitchforks and torches. The only people I've heard calling for the feds and the military to intervene are two dozen or more Zip codes away or in a different time zone altogether. Let the local officials do their job - if they need help they will call for it. There was no riot police or tear gas deployed in any of the other armed protests about stay-at-home orders because it wasn't needed, and if the cops on the scene in Seattle say they don't need it for this then I for one will trust them enough to let them do their jobs.

All these protestors want is equal treatment under the law regardless of race; those maroons in Michigan and elsewhere were armed to the teeth fighting against the tyranny of having to wear a bandana in Wal-Mart.

Yeah, you don't get it, never will.

I can't say more than that, comrade!

 

[DWalt]

I just watched it myself. Seemed pretty chill . Much to do about nothing. Reminds me of Occupy Wall Street.

Back then, there was an OWS mob camped out for several days in the parking lot of an office building near my home. Seemed that all they were doing was beating on drums and chanting. Nothing at all exciting was going on. I couldn't understand why they were there instead of downtown, as it was in an area with essentially no pedestrian and only light vehicular traffic.

 

[meaneyedcatz]

Only if they change the name to the Kingdom of Moronica.

Why would insult the The Three Stooges? They were geniuses compared to the snowflakes.

 

[Jon651]

Yeah, you don't get it, never will.

I can't say more than that, comrade!

You either support the police or you don't. You either believe in our system or you don't. You either have faith in your fellow Americans or you don't. You either believe we are stronger together and will get through this mess together or you don't. But I'm not the one calling in the troops when even the authorities on the scene don't think this will last and that it can be resolved without carpet bombing - but if you bothered to actually read some history you would find that your kind of over-reaction to a little bit of civil unrest smells just a little too Sovietski to me. Ty ne soglasen, Comrade?

 

[Jon651]

For a contrarian viewpoint...

One of the fundamental principles is the government requires our consent. So how does one withdraw their consent?

I'm not saying a gang/terrorist organization/whatever you want to call them can take over a neighborhood over the objections of the people who live there.

The problem is that a lot of folks have forgotten the full concept of "consent of the governed". The actual principle is "consent of the majority" or to put it more concisely "majority rule". Just because you voted against something doesn't mean it does not apply to you if indeed the majority voted FOR it. Even the Bill Of Rights was ratified with a specified majority - it was NOT unanimous. Imagine that.

To "withdraw your consent" you can either try to change what you don't like (vote, recall, run for office, sue in court, etc.) or you can "vote with your feet" (leave).

 

[BC38]

A few hours ago I saw a clip about the CHAZ on Fox. Seems that none of the merchants still operating there (apparently there are some) will speak with reporters because they are afraid of reprisals.

Yeah, like I said, I'm sure it's all unicorns and rainbows.

Could it be this is one of those situations where everybody says "I din see nuffin" out of fear? Could that be why Fox can't get anybody to talk on camera? 'Cause Chaz & his goons would be able to see them on TV and ID them - and there are no real police there to protect anyone from Chaz's boys?

I thought the video starring Chaz and his enforcers was pretty clear evidence of the kind of situation going on there.

But hey maybe it was just some actor passing himself off as the Warlord Rapper Chaz. Maybe they didn't really beat the guy up, break his eyeglasses and steal his cell phone. Maybe it was all staged.

 

[johngalt]

The problem is that a lot of folks have forgotten the full concept of "consent of the governed". The actual principle is "consent of the majority" or to put it more concisely "majority rule". Just because you voted against something doesn't mean it does not apply to you if indeed the majority voted FOR it. Even the Bill Of Rights was ratified with a specified majority - it was NOT unanimous. Imagine that.

To "withdraw your consent" you can either try to change what you don't like (vote, recall, run for office, sue in court, etc.) or you can "vote with your feet" (leave).

A minority of the population supported the American revolution. Were they in the wrong?

 

[Jon651]

A minority of the population supported the American revolution. Were they in the wrong?

Go back to 1776 and ask the British. Just remember that in regards to the protests of today, in your example WE ARE THE BRITISH.

Just think, if the British had listened to our concerns, given us redress and worked with us to solve our grievances then our Revolution may never have happened. If you don't want the peasants to revolt then don't give them a valid reason to. I would suggest starting off by not calling them peasants...

 

[TTSH]

Yeah, like I said, I'm sure it's all unicorns and rainbows.

Could it be this is one of those situations where everybody says "I din see nuffin" out of fear? Could that be why Fox can't get anybody to talk on camera? 'Cause Chaz & his goons would be able to see them on TV and ID them - and there are no real police there to protect anyone from Chaz's boys?

I thought the video starring Chaz and his enforcers was pretty clear evidence of the kind of situation going on there.

But hey maybe it was just some actor passing himself off as the Warlord Rapper Chaz. Maybe they didn't really beat the guy up, break his eyeglasses and steal his cell phone. Maybe it was all staged.

LOL!!! I think you are mixing up your RAZ and your CHAZ.

 

[Racer X]

And what did the police decide to do when a literal mob of armed protestors open-carrying ARs and AKs decided to force their way into the Michigan legislature in order to intimidate the elected officials? Law enforcement didn't want to create an incident and knew that their movement would peter-out given a little time and space and nobody said Boo about it or questioned their judgement. Now a similar situation is happening in Seattle and all of the sudden it's "Roll in the tanks!". It's nothing but rank hypocrisy. The police are there on the scene so let them make the judgement calls - the last thing they need is someone in the cheap seats calling for pitchforks and torches. The only people I've heard calling for the feds and the military to intervene are two dozen or more Zip codes away or in a different time zone altogether. Let the local officials do their job - if they need help they will call for it. There was no riot police or tear gas deployed in any of the other armed protests about stay-at-home orders because it wasn't needed, and if the cops on the scene in Seattle say they don't need it for this then I for one will trust them enough to let them do their jobs.

All these protestors want is equal treatment under the law regardless of race; those maroons in Michigan and elsewhere were armed to the teeth fighting against the tyranny of having to wear a bandana in Wal-Mart.

I have lived in Seattle all my life, and live about 3 Zip codes away. So, that shoots down your assertion right there. They have no legal right to prevent me from transiting through that area in my car. Period. So why hasn't the area been cleared so there is safe unfettered access for everyone?

 

[bill2000]

I have lived in Seattle all my life, and live about 3 Zip codes away. So, that shoots down your assertion right there. They have no legal right to prevent me from transiting through that area in my car. Period. So why hasn't the area been cleared so there is safe unfettered access for everyone?

Because your fellow citizens keep voting for knuckleheads like your governor and Seattle's mayor. Don't be insulted. I have the same problem here in the Peoples Republic of Maine.

 

[mike from st pete]

Do the CHAZ folks see themselves as the new Warsaw Ghetto?

 

[pennzy]

It would be real easy to stop all these protests going forward. No more snuff videos. Easy peasy. We were the only country in the world that didn't end slavery until a civil war. We can learn from history if we really give this thing critical thought.