OH BOY!!! A NEW COUNTRY!!!

[dockmurgw]

Yeah, you don't get it, never will.

I can't say more than that, comrade!

Some have an unlimited supply of straw to grasp.

 

[ladder13]

This is not a protest, it is an occupation.

 

[wheelgun28]

You either support the police or you don't. You either believe in our system or you don't. You either have faith in your fellow Americans or you don't. You either believe we are stronger together and will get through this mess together or you don't. But I'm not the one calling in the troops when even the authorities on the scene don't think this will last and that it can be resolved without carpet bombing - but if you bothered to actually read some history you would find that your kind of over-reaction to a little bit of civil unrest smells just a little too Sovietski to me. Ty ne soglasen, Comrade?

Yeah, you really don't get it...

I never said bring harm to anyone, sorry.

You cannot compare Michigan to Seattle. Michigan normal everyday people against the overreach of an oppressive government. Let us face it, she went way overboard.

Seattle has nothing to do with race, police, or any other excuse. This is a group of anarchists that are openly communist/ socialist. They arent average citizens crying out for freedom, its the opposite.

Maybe you like one group more than the other, I don't know.

I do think those involved in Seattle should be held accountable.

 

[dockmurgw]

Michigan normal everyday people against the overreach of an oppressive government. Let us face it, she went way overboard.

"A Pennsylvania Boston Market employee called the police on a customer's 10-year-old autistic child on Wednesday, because he wasn't wearing a coronavirus face mask."

Yup, how dare these radicals refuse to submit to the authoritarians and wear a bandanna in Walmart.

 

[Racer X]

Because your fellow citizens keep voting for knuckleheads like your governor and Seattle's mayor. Don't be insulted. I have the same problem here in the Peoples Republic of Maine.

Nobody voted in the mayor. They voted her Deputy Mayor, and she was "promoted" when the mayor stepped down because of a personal scandal. Nobody really wants the Vice President to run the country. If they were any good, They'd BE the President. Same thing.

 

[Bill Bates]

Here is a site showing demands put up by the duly elected or self appointed leaders of the autonomous zone.

THE DEMANDS OF THE COLLECTIVE BLACK VOICES AT FREE CAPITOL HILL TO THE GOVERNMENT OF SEATTLE, WASHINGTON

Since they claim to not be part of the USofA, they should have to quarantine before re entering the USofA. Probably a good idea, as they are not following the Governors safety rules concerning the COVID 19 pandemic! Especially, as pertains to not shouting in peoples faces!

Best,
Rick

I think as a new country CHAZ should give all of their citizens what they have demanded and do it with zero foreign aid from the United States.

 

[Jon651]

I have lived in Seattle all my life, and live about 3 Zip codes away. So, that shoots down your assertion right there. They have no legal right to prevent me from transiting through that area in my car. Period. So why hasn't the area been cleared so there is safe unfettered access for everyone?

Could it be that the police think they can do it with time and not violence? Could it be that they know the protests won't last? Could it be that they know forcefully clearing the roads will only play poorly in the press and give nothing but fuel to other knuckleheads? Could it be that they know not risking the public's - and their officers' - safety in a clearing action is not justified for cutting off an additional 30 minutes off of your commute?

Could it be the police are the ones on the scene, know what they are doing, and are trying not to make things WORSE?

 

[Jon651]

"A Pennsylvania Boston Market employee called the police on a customer's 10-year-old autistic child on Wednesday, because he wasn't wearing a coronavirus face mask."

Yup, how dare these radicals refuse to submit to the authoritarians and wear a bandanna in Walmart.

This is about as ridiculous as it gets.

Do you honestly think a 10-year-old autistic child CAN'T spread the virus? I'll agree that calling the police may have been an over-reaction, but I wasn't there and don't know the facts so it's also possible that the Karen who brought him into the restaurant was less concerned about everyone else's safety and more about her chicken dinner and two sides.

Could the restaurant's employees have handled it better? Maybe, but couldn't the parents also have tried to consider an alternate solution and gone through the drive-thru window? The world may never know...

 

[HOUSTON RICK]

Just down the coast wasn't Alcatraz declared an independent country way back when? How did that work out?

 

[steelslaver]

I know this from living in Washington. Most of the rest of the state would be willing to let them have Seattle/King county, especially if they took Tacoma with it.

 

[venomballistics]

And what did the police decide to do when a literal mob of armed protestors open-carrying ARs and AKs decided to force their way into the Michigan legislature in order to intimidate the elected officials? Law enforcement didn't want to create an incident and knew that their movement would peter-out given a little time and space and nobody said Boo about it or questioned their judgement. Now a similar situation is happening in Seattle and all of the sudden it's "Roll in the tanks!". It's nothing but rank hypocrisy. The police are there on the scene so let them make the judgement calls - the last thing they need is someone in the cheap seats calling for pitchforks and torches. The only people I've heard calling for the feds and the military to intervene are two dozen or more Zip codes away or in a different time zone altogether. Let the local officials do their job - if they need help they will call for it. There was no riot police or tear gas deployed in any of the other armed protests about stay-at-home orders because it wasn't needed, and if the cops on the scene in Seattle say they don't need it for this then I for one will trust them enough to let them do their jobs.

All these protestors want is equal treatment under the law regardless of race; those maroons in Michigan and elsewhere were armed to the teeth fighting against the tyranny of having to wear a bandana in Wal-Mart.

"Based on intel at the time"
Based on intel at the time, the Kung Flu was sold as an absolute death dealer that arguably warranted the restrictive policies that flooded in on the heels of the pandemic.
as the saga unfolded, Experts did not agree, and the flesh eating lions once assured to devour all of humanity turned out to be a litter of kittens.
The threat is not half of what it was sold to be, yet the policies based on that misrepresented, and grossly overstated danger still remain.
Based on intel now, we were placed on house arrest on a pack of lies and remain so though the lies are known.
Acts pursuant to throwing off those unnecessary restrictive policies may be necessary.
Poverty will claim more lives than the Kung Flu through starvation and other hardships.
We called an ambulance in for our diabetic neighbor earlier this week. 80 year old vet whose condition deteriorated because the basic services to keep him in medications were denied. He could not get an appointment because the clinics are locked down for the Kung Flu.
These are the kinds of things some otherwise rational folks might deem to be worth fighting for.

 

[Jon651]

Yeah, you really don't get it...

I never said bring harm to anyone, sorry.

You cannot compare Michigan to Seattle. Michigan normal everyday people against the overreach of an oppressive government. Let us face it, she went way overboard.

Seattle has nothing to do with race, police, or any other excuse. This is a group of anarchists that are openly communist/ socialist. They arent average citizens crying out for freedom, its the opposite.

Maybe you like one group more than the other, I don't know.

I do think those involved in Seattle should be held accountable.

Do you even READ what you type?

First off, your smart-alec "comrade" comment (post #129) deserves all the ridicule that can be heaped on it. If you knew me then you'd know why.

Second, those heavily-armed "normal everyday" Michiganders were protesting being asked to stay home during a PANDEMIC that as of this past weekend has already cost over 110,000+ Americans their lives, and doing so by trying to force their way into the state capital building to intimidate the lawmakers inside. Nobody was killing them in their own beds just because they had to go to the supermarket. The Breonna Taylor incident didn't help matters much in that regard, I'd say...

And third, the protests that have spread across this country most certainly did start about race and the police, unless you just woke up from a coma and maybe failed to notice. It was the foolish escalation and poor handling that got the rest of these chuckleheads involved so naturally things get skewed-up in a place like Seattle... Honestly, who didn't see THAT coming!

The point I'm trying to make about both Seattle and Michigan is that the police in both situations were in the best positions to make the vital judgement calls so have opted for a reaction that de-escalates and lessens the risk to life. You may not be calling for a first strike capability, but there are plenty here who have. Whether you approve of their politics or not, as Pogo once said "We have met the enemy, and he is us."

 

[Absalom]

.....Could it be the police are the ones on the scene, know what they are doing, and are trying not to make things WORSE?

In the riots of the 1960s, from Watts to D.C. and Detroit, city sections actually burned, and hundreds died across the country. Ultimately, the Guard and in some cases active Army were deployed.

There is nothing remotely like it going on in Seattle.

Police could write some trespassing tickets and maybe charge some taggers with vandalism.

But there is nothing going on to justify the violent fantasies of some here.

The police have to find the most practical way to manage the situation. They can't worry about satisfying the concerns of frightened people all over the country who consume only one kind of media and who see largely imaginary antifa terrorists lurking behind every corner.

And the grand total of proof for the "warlord Raz" is a short video where some guys have an argument and then a scuffle over whether one should be tagging, and then the camera shakes a lot. The end. You've got to be kidding.

 

[Jon651]

"Based on intel at the time"
Based on intel at the time, the Kung Flu was sold as an absolute death dealer that arguably warranted the restrictive policies that flooded in on the heels of the pandemic.
as the saga unfolded, Experts did not agree, and the flesh eating lions once assured to devour all of humanity turned out to be a litter of kittens.
The threat is not half of what it was sold to be, yet the policies based on that misrepresented, and grossly overstated danger still remain.
Based on intel now, we were placed on house arrest on a pack of lies and remain so though the lies are known.
Acts pursuant to throwing off those unnecessary restrictive policies may be necessary.
Poverty will claim more lives than the Kung Flu through starvation and other hardships.
We called an ambulance in for our diabetic neighbor earlier this week. 80 year old vet whose condition deteriorated because the basic services to keep him in medications were denied. He could not get an appointment because the clinics are locked down for the Kung Flu.
These are the kinds of things some otherwise rational folks might deem to be worth fighting for.

Oy vey. First off, the pandemic isn't over and the death tolls are lower BECAUSE OF the actions we took and not IN SPITE OF them. The experts do agree - and have agreed, but there are plenty of "TV Experts" like Dr. Phil who don't agree with the real ones that waaaay too many folks listened to. And the death toll continues to climb regardless of how much we try to ignore it.

Second, "Poverty will claim more lives..." - you typed that with a straight face but with even less proof than you claimed was used to justify social distancing policies. If poverty were nearly as deadly as COVID-19 then why aren't you up in arms about our country's inane response to poverty and health care for the poor and under-served? It took an actual pandemic to finally make you aware that poverty kills?

And finally, it's damn near criminal but a LOT of 80-year-olds died in the past few months - if for no other reason than too many folks like those maroons in Michigan thought helping to prevent the spread of a lethal virus wasn't as important as getting a haircut.

 

[Jon651]

Just down the coast wasn't Alcatraz declared an independent country way back when? How did that work out?

Key West does it every year. It's called the "Conch Republic" - and it's a LOT of fun!

 

[wheelgun28]

Do you even READ what you type?

First off, your smart-alec "comrade" comment deserves all the ridicule that can be heaped on it. If you knew me then you'd know why.

Second, those heavily-armed "normal everyday" Michiganders were protesting being asked to stay home during a PANDEMIC that as of this past weekend has already cost over 110,000+ Americans their lives, and doing so by trying to force their way into the state capital building to intimidate the lawmakers inside. Nobody was killing them in their own beds just because they had to go to the supermarket. The Brianna Taylor incident didn't help matters much in that regard, I'd say...

And third, the protests that have spread across this country most certainly did start about race and the police, unless you just woke up from a coma and maybe failed to notice. It was the foolish escalation and poor handling that got the rest of these chuckleheads involved so naturally things get skewed-up in a place like Seattle...

The point I'm trying to make about both Seattle and Michigan is that the police in both situations were in the best positions to make the vital judgement calls so have opted for a reaction that de-escalates and lessens the risk to life. You may not be calling for a first strike capability, but there are plenty here who have. Whether you approve of their politics or not, as Pogo once said "We have met the enemy, and he is us."

Your correct, I don't know you, the only way I know you are from your writings.

You seem to support every left-wing big government policy.

Not to be insulting but I see a few folks here more as DU types rather than gun forum types.

As for places like Seattle, this will blow over. No one will be held accountable, the taxpayers will be stuck paying for all the cleanup and damage. The perpetrators will learn from this and do better next time. Things will continue to get worse for normal people all while they vote for the people making it worse.


Michigan had a lot more issues than wearing a mask. From fishing on a boat to buying seeds for a garden, absurd restrictions. Then when the lowly citizenry complains they double down on things. Citizens were looking for some politicians to pine tar and feather.

And, yes I am a "smart-alec" to my bones, it is how I see life, laugh, mock and enjoy... To much Bugs Bunny as a kid? I suppose maybe Mel Brooks didn't help as an adolescent, I can't say.

 

[venomballistics]

Oy vey. First off, the pandemic isn't over and the death tolls are lower BECAUSE OF the actions we took and not IN SPITE OF them. The experts do agree - and have agreed, but there are plenty of "TV Experts" like Dr. Phil who don't agree with the real ones that waaaay too many folks listened to. And the death toll continues to climb regardless of how much we try to ignore it.

Second, "Poverty will claim more lives..." - you typed that with a straight face but with even less proof than you claimed was used to justify social distancing policies. If poverty were nearly as deadly as COVID-19 then why aren't you up in arms about our country's inane response to poverty and health care for the poor and under-served? It took an actual pandemic to finally make you aware that poverty kills?

And finally, it's damn near criminal but a LOT of 80-year-olds died in the past few months - if for no other reason than too many folks like those maroons in Michigan thought helping to prevent the spread of a lethal virus wasn't as important as getting a haircut.

Believe what you like.
I'll just look to Cambodia and Ethiopia to back up the poverty argument.
And guess what, that 80 year old could have just as easily have been you given the specifics of the situation.
Meanwhile Sweden opted to ride unchecked.
They are at 483 per million population deaths. Meanwhile the UK who went full lockdown is at 614 per million population.
So .. tell me what was proven again?

 

[Buzzzer]

Interesting thoughts in this thread! The way I look at it whomever supports this sort of "protest" (i.e. takeover part of a major city), be it city council members/politicians/media/regular folk/etc..., should put their feet where their mouth is. If it's utopia to you then by all means, join in. No-one is stopping you from going there, however, stay there...

 

[Univibe]

You know, that's exactly what I thought about that "patriot" crowd with the Bundys that occupied the Malheur refuge back in 2016. But it's probably better to wait them out as long as nobody is getting hurt, avoid excessive bloodshed and try to snag the leaders when they're vulnerable. I just hope the prosecutors prepare better than in the Bundy case.

When conservatives riot, it's a "demonstration."

When liberals / blacks demonstrate, it's a "riot."

Bundys shot at law enforcement. So far, CHAZ hasn't.


Where was the clamor to send in Abrams against Bundy?

 

[Jon651]

Your correct, I don't know you, the only way I know you are from your writings.

You seem to support every left-wing big government policy.

(Edited for brevity)

And, yes I am a "smart-alec" to my bones, it is how I see life, laugh, mock and enjoy... To much Bugs Bunny as a kid? I suppose maybe Mel Brooks didn't help as an adolescent, I can't say.

I am actually laughing in a good way at your post.

I'm the one saying "trust the police, let them do their jobs, believe in our fellow Americans, have faith in our country, our democracy isn't that fragile" and somehow I'M LEFT WING??

Did you guys get together and change the definitions but didn't send me the memo? Well??

I know that this is an older crowd on this forum, but certainly SOMEBODY remembers the 60s or the 70s - desegregation, integration, civil rights, equal rights, women's rights, assassinations, anti-war, anti-draft, race riots, Star Trek every Wednesday night... The list is pretty long and yet (drum roll, please...) - we're still here! Anybody who lived through all of that is probably looking around at what is going on today and saying "Rookies!".

Is it so left-wing to think we don't need a militant response just because some sovereign citizens and flat-earthers are having a die-in and doing street theater in Seattle of all places? The mess probably won't be any worse than what those bums leave behind after an Earth Day Birthday concert...