Does anyone make a truly double action striker fired pistol???

[tops]

I thinking the G3C has the same trigger and if it is the striker is cocked the same as other striker fired pistols. The striker is not at rest unless the trigger is pulled on an empty chamber or the gun fails to fire. That leads me too believe it's not any safer to carry than other striker fired gun. Larry

 

[Steve912]

The SCCY design is pure double action but hammer instead of striker. They are ultra-safe as it is nearly impossible to have an unintentional discharge with a SCCY, even more so with the CPX-1 (9mm) which has a separate safety lever that disconnects the trigger from the hammer. But the long heavy trigger pull (about like a revolver's) does take some getting used to. Even though inexpensive, they are very well-made and reliable pistols. They won't win any shooting matches, but that's not what they were designed to do.

They're good enough mechanical clones (and better, cosmetically)
of the Kel-Tec P-11, that Kel-Tec discontinued making it.

Neither the PF-9 or the P-11 is a "double action striker" gun.
Both are DAO, trigger-cocked hammer actions. The PF-9
uses a 'semi-cocked to full cock' action, with slide action
required between releases, while the P-11 mimics the DA
action of a revolver (infinite restrike ability).

The only "double action striker" pistol I've encountered was
a small 9mm Taurus. Met a gal at a range who had one, and
was learning how to shoot. I handled it briefly and was
surprised to realize Taurus had incorporated something in the
design to draw striker back far enough (seemingly) to build
up enough spring compression to pop primers...or so it
seemed, from casual handling. I didn't take it apart to
investigate it in depth, and don't remember what model it
was.

 

[ContinentalOp]

In hammer fired guns, I can only the SCCY CPX series, Sig P250 subcompact and P290RS meet the pocket carry and full DAO requirements AFAIK.

There's also the Beretta Pico in .380. It's a hammer-fired DAO pocket pistol.

 

[NewSport]

DA striker fire...

I think the Walther P99c or S&W 99c will meet the requirements, if I remember these arms correctly. About the size of a G26, they have 10+1 rds of 9mm available, a little less in a 40. They have a slick slide manual decocker but no manual safety. Also have the ability(in anti-stress (AS) mode) to carry in "cocked" mode with trigger fully forward, but much lighter pull weight than full DA mode... Also the magazines came with and without the pinky rest, but same ammo capacity. SW99c could not take a light or laser and was a bit narrower at the business end than the Walther. Good luck!

 

[CAJUNLAWYER]

There's also the Beretta Pico in .380. It's a hammer-fired DAO pocket pistol.

Already have the M&P380 which fills that niche beautifully.
Thank you all for your thoughtful responses.I'm gonna look at the SIG P250 compact. And maybe I might rethink my aversion to pocket holsters........
Or just say screw it and stay old school with my M&P380 and my 638.
But I WANT to buy a new gun dammit

 

[peterGun]

I believe you want a Nano, it’s listed as striker fired DAO


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[ScottN]

I love my 250c and 250sc but would not use either for pocket carry due to size and weight. They are similar in size to the M&P 1.0 9/9c. For pocket carry I would look at the 290RS, which has a similar trigger but a bit heavier. My p250’s have a long, smooth pull in the 7-8 lb range. I don’t own a 290RS but have checked them out before and would say the trigger is in the 10lb range and not quite as smooth as the 250. In the end, I preferred my j frame over the 290RS but would be worth you checking one out.

 

[tenntex32]

Already have the M&P380 which fills that niche beautifully.
Thank you all for your thoughtful responses.I'm gonna look at the SIG P250 compact. And maybe I might rethink my aversion to pocket holsters........
Or just say screw it and stay old school with my M&P380 and my 638.
But I WANT to buy a new gun dammit

I looked at complete caliber (and size) conversion kits for my P250................and ouch.

Would be better off just buying one of the many used complete police P250 trade-ins that seemed to be offered out there...........or a new different brand gun at a comparable price!

Dale

 

[Skeptic 9c]

Already have the M&P380 which fills that niche beautifully.
Thank you all for your thoughtful responses.I'm gonna look at the SIG P250 compact. And maybe I might rethink my aversion to pocket holsters........
Or just say screw it and stay old school with my M&P380 and my 638.
But I WANT to buy a new gun dammit

Welllll, if you are a Veteran and don't have a Glock, until November 11 you can get Police Pricing. Bring a copy of your DD214.

Geoff
Who is tempted, but this Beer Problem is hurting my finances...sigh...

 

[LostintheOzone]

I own a full size Sig P250 in .45acp and I like it for it's DAO firing mechanism. It feels rather safe when one is in the pipe due to the long trigger sequence. No external safety. It's the same feeling as having a fully loaded DAO revolver........except with doublestrike capability if warranted.

Due to shooting revolvers it's long DAO trigger doesn't bother me at all accuracy wise. In fact I jokingly refer to it as my 10-shot .45acp revolver. (Well actually 10+1 when I feel the need for such.)

The P250 gets poo'd on a lot for it's long DAO trigger.........primarily from those used to shooting single action type handguns I feel. With practice one can learn to stage the P250's trigger much like any double action revolver for more precision work.

Practicing with the P250 has definitely made me a better SA and DA shooter!

I feel this is also the reason I enjoy my 642 (DAO) revolver so much.

I paid $400 NIB for my Sig P250 about 10 years or so ago, maybe a tad longer than that even. I did buy a spare mag as it only came with 1.........which I thought was unusual but maybe they were trying to keep the cost as low as possible for purchasers.(?)

I'd love to have a subcompact P250 kit (in 9x19) for my fire control group as they are interchangeable........but for what they want price wise for the parts you can buy a complete 'nother gun!

Dale

DAO was/is something that came about because of LE. It has some advantages over DA/SA. I've been a DA/SA/no safety fan for awhile and never considered carrying anything else except a revolver, because I don't want a safety on a carry.

The advantages of DAO IMO are 1) no safety, 2) consistent trigger pull and 3) easier to train novice shooters because of less controls. The fewer controls in a stressful situation the better. Probably why Glocks are so popular with LE.

Strikers won't work for me because I don't like carrying a cocked pistol without a safety and I don't like safeties on my carry.

HK LEM trigger might be a consideration. I have a P-30 SK with that trigger. When the slide is racked, it's cocked for SA but won't fire without the long DA pull and hammer movement. The difference is the trigger is a constant 4.5 lbs, not the hurkin 9 lbs of most DA/SA pistols in DA mode. No Glock leg because when you holster it a thumb on the hammer prevents any trigger movement. It can't fire unless that hammer comes back. No safety and no decocker to mess with. It's like DAO and a revolver in a lot of ways.

One warning. HK calls it a sub compact but it isn't. It's more Glock 19 size than sub compact.

Lots of people don't like that long trigger pull but I don't find it hard to master. People have become accustomed to SA triggers but I'm not so sure those are a good idea in a carry pistol.

I got this P-30 SK LEM by mistake. I decided to try it and I like it hugely. My Sig p239 might be going down the road.

 

[BC38]

It is the same - the fact that the trigger pull is exactly the same for first and second strike is proof.
Like I said, if the striker were partially "pre-cocked" for the first strike the trigger pull for the second strike would be different - and it isn't. The trigger pull cocks and releases the striker exactly the same for first AND second strikes, and we know that for second strike it isn't "pre-cocked" so since the trigger pull is the same for both first and second strike it cannot be "pre-cocked" for first strike either. If it were the trigger pulls would be doing different amounts of work and would feel different. They don't - so therefore they are the same, and therefore the striker is at rest before both first AND second strikes.

Seems odd to quote myself, but necessary to correct myself

I went back and double-checked this and I was mistaken. the first strike and second strike trigger pulls are NOT identical. For first strike (after racking the slide) the trigger takeup is about 3/16" longer compared to the second-strike trigger takeup. That additional 3/16" of movement of the trigger in second-strike mode is very light, so it is barely even noticeable, but it is there, and appears to be doing something. Presumably it is pre-cocking the striker as it moves through that additional 3/16" worth of travel. In first strike mode you can't feel anything as the trigger travels through that additional 3/16" of takeup, so I'm guessing that is because the striker has already been preloaded by racking the slide.

So I guess the Taurus guns don't fit the defined niche after all.

 

[Telecaster]

When I checked out the compact Sigs, the slides looked absolutely massive. Very wide. Not something I'd want in my pocket at all, but YMMV.

 

[kbm6893]

The original Ruger LC9 is the answer. Hammer fired. DAO. I believe double strike capability. Virtually identical in size and weight to the Sig 365. Manual safety if you want to use it but has a nice positive click if you don’t want to. Magazine disconnect but you can remove that if you don’t want it.

If you’re comfortable with the Bodyguard then you’ll be comfortable with the LC9. Same long double action pull, and you clearly don’t have an issue with a safety since the Bodyguard has one. You can use it or not. I prefer the safety on the LC9 to the Bodyguard. Has a tiny shelf so you can easily access it. I’ve never had the safety come on accidentally.

 

[Buford57]

I looked at complete caliber (and size) conversion kits for my P250................and ouch.

Would be better off just buying one of the many used complete police P250 trade-ins that seemed to be offered out there...........or a new different brand gun at a comparable price!

Dale

At one point about a year ago CDNN advertized these constantly for under $100. They still turn up on their site occasionally. At the time I had full size 250 in .40 and toyed with the idea of adding a subcompact 9, a compact .45, etc. but never pulled the trigger (shameless pun).

 

[Buick]

I believe the French Le Francais pistols in 6.35 and 7.65 mm were true DAO striker fired arms. Perhaps the CZ45 in 6.35mm.

 

[PALADIN85020]

Caj, this Kahr in .45 ACP is one of the few striker-fired pistols I own - the others being Glocks. It's DA only, so no need for a safety. The downside is, because it's partially cocked when the slide goes forward, that there is no repeat strike capability. Of course that usually doesn't work to resuscitate a bad primer anyway.

At any rate that DA pull is actually very nice, and easy to get used to using so as not to disturb your aim. The gun is quite compact and suitable for discreet carry.

Hope this helps.

John

 

[tenntex32]

At one point about a year ago CDNN advertized these constantly for under $100. They still turn up on their site occasionally. At the time I had full size 250 in .40 and toyed with the idea of adding a subcompact 9, a compact .45, etc. but never pulled the trigger (shameless pun).

You have to be careful as they sell the items in many configurations.

Sometimes just a grip frame. Sometimes just a grip frame and magazine. Sometimes a slide with associated barrel, spring guide. Sometimes with everything needed other than the fire control group.

I have yet to ever see a complete package minus fire control group for anywhere near $100. The complete slide, barrel, spring guide runs about $200. With grip module and magazine we're talking $300-$400 nowadays.

Seems a bit excessive considering your other complete gun options at those prices.

If you get a line on a complete subcompact 9mm kit, minus fire control group, for $100 I'm in! Heck for that price I'm in at any caliber in a subcompact at $100.

 

[BlackAgnes]

Cage--

Since you are considering the P250, this is mine--a Sub-Compact upper mated with a 10-shot Compact grip. I sawed off the extra length of the grip front and kinda blended it in.

Gives you a higher mag capacity with a short barrel...

Tim

 

[Walter Rego]

Cajunlawyer, how about a Seecamp .32 ACP ? Or do you want a .380 as minimum ? It isn't striker fired but doesn't require the slide to be cycled to partially cock it either. They do make a .380 but I understand that they are quite uncomfortable to shoot.

 

[CAJUNLAWYER]

I believe you want a Nano, it’s listed as striker fired DAO


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TOO big....