Does anyone make a truly double action striker fired pistol???

[BC38]

Also not trying to be argumentative, because you are right, there is no guarantee that a second strike will fire the round. However there are other reasons for FTF other than a "dead" primer - the most common of the ammo-related reasons being a primer not fully seated. The vast majority of the time the first strike will fully seat it and a second strike will fire it.
There can also be mechanical issues with the gun that cause light strikes. In my experience, if a light first strike has already dimpled the primer cup, a second strike will make it fire off the majority of the time.
Presumably a lot of guns aren't second strike capable simply because making them so is a little more complicated - making the trigger capable of fully cocking and releasing the striker/hammer is a little more involved than making the action of racking the slide the mechanism that pre-loads the striker and sets the sear makes for a simpler mechanism.
Just curious, but what do you see as being such a negative about second strike? If you can train to instantly 'tap-rack-bang" for a malfunction, then surely you can train to try a second trigger pull and THEN default to "tap-rack-bang". Seems like adding that one additional trigger pull to the training shouldn't be a big issue.

 

[mikerjf]

Rounds that fail the first time but fire with the second strike are fairly common with 22LR. But in other calibers I've had them happen a few times.

25ACP: Out of 600 rounds I've had 1 total dud and 3 that needed a second hit. (Aguila and Magtech)

9mm: Out of 2800 rounds I've had 1 total dud. (Win steel case)

 

[Gene L]

What I see as a negative is there are so very few pistols that offer a second strike. Also, takes a new level of training. I would think if the second strike doesn't do it, try a 3rd or 4th, which does take time away from slapping and racking.

So it's only a negative in my mind if one overlooks dozens of excellent pistols that don't have it for one that does. Looking for second strike exclusively limits one's choices.

Since almost no (maybe absolutely none) LE agencies have pistols with second strike capabilities, it's worse than useless to teach it with Glocks or S&W pistols. What's the point? They're incapable of second trigger pulls. Same with the 1911. If an agency DOES issue weapons with second strike capabilities, then teach pulling the trigger again, I suppose, but slap, rack, bang is a better solution.

Edited to add this link.
Do You Need Two-strike Capability In Your Pistol?

 

[kbm6893]

What I see as a negative is there are so very few pistols that offer a second strike. Also, takes a new level of training. I would think if the second strike doesn't do it, try a 3rd or 4th, which does take time away from slapping and racking.

So it's only a negative in my mind if one overlooks dozens of excellent pistols that don't have it for one that does. Looking for second strike exclusively limits one's choices.

Since almost no (maybe absolutely none) LE agencies have pistols with second strike capabilities, it's worse than useless to teach it with Glocks or S&W pistols. What's the point? They're incapable of second trigger pulls. Same with the 1911. If an agency DOES issue weapons with second strike capabilities, then teach pulling the trigger again, I suppose, but slap, rack, bang is a better solution.

Edited to add this link.
Do You Need Two-strike Capability In Your Pistol?

Most hammer fired weapons offer second strike. All S&W 1-3 gens, other than the DAO, Beretta, Sig, CZ, Ruger, Etc. The fact that striker fired guns outnumber hammer is the reason why it’s not as common anymore.

Bottom line is they’re not a liability. We’ve already determined that a dud primer isn’t a common thing, unless you’re firing hand loaded ammo and the primer wasn’t quite seated So if they’re rare, then second strike is rarely needed. Still is a nice option. They’re also great for dry fire practice.

 

[BC38]

Most hammer fired weapons offer second strike. All S&W 1-3 gens, other than the DAO, Beretta, Sig, CZ, Ruger, Etc. The fact that striker fired guns outnumber hammer is the reason why it’s not as common anymore.

Bottom line is they’re not a liability. We’ve already determined that a dud primer isn’t a common thing, unless you’re firing hand loaded ammo and the primer wasn’t quite seated So if they’re rare, then second strike is rarely needed. Still is a nice option. They’re also great for dry fire practice.

Good points.

 

[MTC(SS)Ret]

I bought a SCCY CPX-1RD (red dot equipped with ambi safety) recently. If you look at a photo of the gun you will see a fence molded into the grip frame that apparently is designed to prevent the shooters thumb from activating the safety lever during recoil. BEWARE OF THIS FENCE!!! The first time I fired mine at the range the combination of recoil and muzzle rise drove this fence into the side of my thumb and caused a nice gash. I thought maybe I had a weak grip so tried again and OUCH again!!! After 2 more shots with the same results I cleared the gun and looked closely at the fence. It seems the fence has a sharp enough edge to cause the gash in my thumb which I attribute to poor design (the gun, not my thumb) or other defect in its molding. I took it back to my LGS and the guy was nice enough to refund my money which I promptly used to buy the last SIG P365 he had.

 

[gonerydin]

I bought a SCCY CPX-1RD (red dot equipped with ambi safety) recently. If you look at a photo of the gun you will see a fence molded into the grip frame that apparently is designed to prevent the shooters thumb from activating the safety lever during recoil. BEWARE OF THIS FENCE!!! The first time I fired mine at the range the combination of recoil and muzzle rise drove this fence into the side of my thumb and caused a nice gash. I thought maybe I had a weak grip so tried again and OUCH again!!! After 2 more shots with the same results I cleared the gun and looked closely at the fence. It seems the fence has a sharp enough edge to cause the gash in my thumb which I attribute to poor design (the gun, not my thumb) or other defect in its molding. I took it back to my LGS and the guy was nice enough to refund my money which I promptly used to buy the last SIG P365 he had.

I bought a SCCY CPX2 5 years ago. It’s such *** my conscience won’t let me sell it.


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[LVSteve]

I bought a SCCY CPX2 5 years ago. It’s such *** my conscience won’t let me sell it.


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I ran a few mags through one belonging to my wife's buddy and found it surprisingly usable. It's just a square, 10-round revolver with a long DAO trigger pull. It is what it is.

 

[PALADIN85020]

I almost forgot. I do have a pistol that meets all but one of the criteria. It's double action only, striker fired, plastic framed, and has repeat strike capability.

Meet the H&K VP70 Z. The first polymer-framed semiauto pistol ever made. It has an 18 + 1 capacity of 9mm.

Only trouble is, it's a mite large for pocket carry!

John

 

[Mister X]

I’m not sure I’d be comfortable with any auto in a pocket without a holster. I have carried a J-frame sans holster on occasion(usually in a coat/jacket with nothing else in the pocket), but in addition to the long and heavy trigger pull, the cylinder will also have to rotate adding an additional layer of safety IMO.

I guess you could install an NY trigger in one of the smaller Glocks although it’s not a true DAO and I’d still recommend a holster.

 

[ContinentalOp]

Let's not forget that in addition to safely covering the trigger guard, a pocket holster helps keep the gun in a consistent position in the pocket. Nothing like needing a gun in a hurry, sticking your hand in your pocket, and trying to find the grip because it shifted around in there.

 

[wayward323]

By that I mean a striker fired pistol who's striker is completely at rest before a pull on the trigger compresses the striker and spring and then releases it to fire. This is the reason I went with the M&P380 over the Ruger offerings, why my M&P9 1.0 has a manual safety and why I will not carry my Shield.45 . It is why I am so on the fence about buying a P365 even with the manual safety. I know me and my ingrained habits over these past 64 yeas 8 months and 13 days on this planet. I grew up around people who pocket carried J frames and dick specials without holsters and that is how I carry them. That is also how I carry my M&P380. To me a holster is something you put a gun it to carry on a belt or waist concealed or not. That is me and I can take the ridicule...but to get back to my original question is there anywhere out there a true double action striker fired weapon for pocket carry????
What I would REALLY want is a hammer fired P365

I have 1st gen Walther P99 that is striker fired DA/SA. It has a decocker only and no manual safety. It has a cocked hammer indicator on the back of the slide which you can see and feel with your thumb. It's accurate and reliable but it's not suitable for pocket carry unless you have some REALLY BIG pockets.

 

[Imissedagain]

No answers to the original question, but I've carried these three, just drop in the pocket.
Pic of blued PPKs is just for size comparison,
as I carry the stainless one.

I like hammers but there is some positives to a striker gun.
Will start a thread called, "stopping a gun too close" to discuss some posts in this thread. #51, #87 and #96.
Link: Your choice on a hicap 9mm compact ( ** New Reply** )

 

[Well Armed]

This is a 4 year old thread brought back from the dead.

 

[gwpercle]

No ridicule from me ...

I still Pocket Carry My J-Frames ...

I don't care for semi-auto's ,
except for the Colt 1911 and Browning Hi-Power .

The Zombie's strike again !
Gary

 

[Farmer17]

I have a Ruger LCP 380 and it’s long and hard trigger pull makes it adequately safe in the pocket to me and I had the Ruger LCP II .380 but its short light trigger pull made me a little nervous in the pocket so I sold it. I also have a Sig 365 and I love the gun, but it’s a little bulky in the cowboy cut Levis blue jeans I wear most of the time. A J-frame feels like a billiard ball in the pocket to me. I also like carrying a gun without a pocket holster, but I wash my pants with the pockets pulled out so they always stay very clean so there will be no issues with lint.

 

[THE PILGRIM]

Have 2 Sig 365s, a Kahr and a Glock 43x.
As already posted, Kahr has long smooth fairly heavy trigger pull.
Like a Revolver!
I like the Sig trigger, grip and sights.
Glock? I’m struggling. Probably never will actually like the Glock trigger!
Primary SHTF? Sig 365 X Macro.
RUGER LC 9? Maybe!
It is the time of the Nine, and I’m still gunning up!